Fog Lamps.....

Well, his search actually revealed the law as it stands...thats pretty relevant?

Yes, and...?

The law also explicitly states that you should not operate a mobile phone whilst driving. However, practically and logically there is little issue with someone making a quick call whilst driving at a reasonable rate on a clear road in a rural area - it's no worse than changing CDs. Strictly illegal ≠ logically indefensible. All those farm occupations in Zim are OK, then? :rolleyes:
 
Oh for Pete's sake, Lance. No search is necessary as again you can find anything on the web to support just about any assertion. How's about, just for a change of pace for you, we try logic instead?

Stop back peddling Enigma. I will find those images when I get a chance. Just a little busy now but I'll get to it.

Australia are also in on this conspiracy against harmless fog lights it seems :
The biggest complaint is about drivers who have their fog lights on in normal conditions. Not only is this dangerous because it can temporarily blind other motorists, it's also illegal.
Australian Road Rule 219 states that: "A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver's vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user."

Australian Road Rule 217 is even more explicit about the correct use of fog lights, stating: "The driver of a vehicle fitted with a rear fog light must not operate the fog light unless the driver is driving in fog or other hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility."
Some drivers may be unaware that they are driving with their fog lights on.

As stated it is only idiots who have their fog lights on when there is no fog!
 
I only use my front fog's at night as they have a wider field, my rears i use when someone is driving on my rear, makes them think you are braking so you keep flashing them on and off and that way you aren't actually braking so they cant drive into your @ss.
 
Yes, and...?

The law also explicitly states that you should not operate a mobile phone whilst driving. However, practically and logically there is little issue with someone making a quick call whilst driving at a reasonable rate on a clear road in a rural area - it's no worse than changing CDs. Strictly illegal ≠ logically indefensible. All those farm occupations in Zim are OK, then? :rolleyes:

Well that is a fsuked up argument if I have ever heard one. I think at this point we just don't bother arguing this and I just somehow ensure that none of my friends and family are anywhere near you on the road as you seem to be so stuck up your own ass that everyone else is in distinct danger!
 
Yes, and...?

The law also explicitly states that you should not operate a mobile phone whilst driving. However, practically and logically there is little issue with someone making a quick call whilst driving at a reasonable rate on a clear road in a rural area - it's no worse than changing CDs. Strictly illegal ≠ logically indefensible. All those farm occupations in Zim are OK, then? :rolleyes:

ok then....
 
Stop back peddling Enigma. I will find those images when I get a chance. Just a little busy now but I'll get to it.

Australia are also in on this conspiracy against harmless fog lights it seems :


As stated it is only idiots who have their fog lights on when there is no fog!

Who is back peddling? I'm qualifying my position on the matter. Your quote from Australia's regulations only serve to confirm my stance:
The biggest complaint is about drivers who have their fog lights on in normal conditions. Not only is this dangerous because it can temporarily blind other motorists, it's also illegal.
Australian Road Rule 219 states that: "A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver's vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user."

Australian Road Rule 217 is even more explicit about the correct use of fog lights, stating: "The driver of a vehicle fitted with a rear fog light must not operate the fog light unless the driver is driving in fog or other hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility."
Some drivers may be unaware that they are driving with their fog lights on.
the use of rear fog lights in clear conditions is condemned, whereas fronts are a non-issue by virtue of design and physics as they are not "likely to dazzle another road user."
 
can someone please enlighten me as to why people drive with their car fog lights on (on clear days and/or clear nights)

and if you do, do you drive with front on only or front and rear

and if with rear on, do you know that it blinds the person in the car behind you , or don't you know you can switch them off

One reason...and one reason only...these dunces think they look cool
 
Here is a discussion for you to read enigma :

http://www.fordstownerssa.co.za/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5180&hilit=foglights

Fog lights on their own. Are not that much of a problem. Of course NOBODY drives with only their fogs lights. Why, because its illegal number one, and they cant see very well, Or so they think :!:

Our Lights on our cars are designed for a specific purpose and shine on the road for that reason. If you look at our Focus ST's you will see that the one lamp (think its the right) Does not in fact shine as far as the left. This is because the Focus' front lights actually move left or right depending on speed and the direction you are moving the steering wheel at that time. Now since we drive on the left, when driving towards on coming traffic going around a bend, turning our lights like this will blind somebody coming from the opposite direction.

This is the reason why the one light shines further than the other. The left Light will turn and shine further down the side of the road where there is NOBODY and not cause discomfort for other drivers.

Now fog lights are a similar situation. If you take two torches and hold them next to each other you in effect double the intensity of the light. It is really only an illusion, but it is enough to cause your pupils to become smaller. Remove this light suddenly and it takes your eyes a while to adjust, during which time, You could be "blinded" for a while.

Most headlamps are designed to be just below this peak of irritation. However when you add the fog lights to the situation, your normal headlamps are now a bright irritation. To make things worse, because they do shine lower down, and actually to the sides, as you drive past somebody like this, its like turning our lights on directly into their face as they pass by. Which causes your pupil to change size and blinds you. Depending on person to person, this can be rectified instantly or take about 3 sec’s four our eyes to re-adjust. The rods on the sides of your eyes are also more sensitive to light in darkness. So this suddenly bright light from the side is not a nice thing to do to other drivers.(for interest, it takes the average human 45 min for their eyes to adjust to a situation, especially in darkness. 1 second of bright light.. puts you back to 45 min)

Azbo…For my friend I mentioned.. Those 4 seconds where just long enough for him to swerve, lose control and hit another car.

Here is a quote from another website which also explains why it is fact STUPID to use fog lights when there is no Fog and how you are actually fooling yourself. (Search Google for Fog Lamp Law btw for many many more)
The fog lamps' job is to show you the edges of the road, the lane markings, and the immediate foreground. When used in combination with the headlamps, good fog lamps weight the overall beam pattern towards the foreground so that even though there may be a relatively high level of upward stray light from the headlamps causing glare back from the fog or falling snow, there will be more foreground light than usual without a corresponding increase in upward stray light, giving back some of the vision you lose to precipitation.

When used without headlamps in conditions of extremely poor visibility due to snow, fog or smoke, good fog lamps light the foreground and the road edges only, so you can see your way safely at reduced speeds.

In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting".

There are even pretty pictures for you to look at if you click on the link.

The only conclusion one can really reach is that people who use their fog lights in clear conditions are indeed idiots!
 
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Those Xenon headlights blind the crap outta me when a car is coming my way, or when his behind you and going over a bump or some dodgy roads.
I thought Metro was trying to make it compulsary for everyone to drive with their headlights on, all the time.

And yes, i think i look so cool
 
I drive with my front fogs always, never rear.
My car is low, it blinds nobody!!

People with rear fogs on are *********s...
 
I drive with my front fogs always, never rear.
My car is low, it blinds nobody!!

People with rear fogs on are *********s...

why? is that the trick to slaying M3's with non modified 50% competing output cars?
 
Here is a discussion for you to read enigma :

http://www.fordstownerssa.co.za/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5180&hilit=foglights



There are even pretty pictures for you to look at if you click on the link.

The only conclusion one can really reach is that people who use their fog lights in clear conditions are indeed idiots!

With a quick scan through, the entire premise of the argument seems to be invalidated by the fact that the beams of fog lights and normal headlights would not intersect. Fogs start lower and are aimed closer to the front of the car than headlights. Sorry... pull the other one.
 
VW's, the FSI and the GTI have a dial that you must turn, first position puts on the front fogs, second puts on the irritating rear fog light as well.
The problem is that the fog light on the dashboard only lights up when the irritating rear fog light is lit.

So, the driver naturally thinks that, in order to have the cool front fog lights on, that fog light on the dashboard must be on, and blinds the peeps behind.

Shockingly bad design on VW's part.
 
The police commissioner said drive with your lights on!!
did you notice the E class Mercs always have front fogs on? All you have to do is start the car and the lights go on...
 
What really bugs me is idiots with lights not adjusted properly, especially bakkies and 4x4's.

In our area the mapllotters do this so they can see further on the dirt roads. As they come past me I just leave my floods on now days, half they time they put their own floods on and the light passes above my car.
 
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