Fog Lamps.....

imajin said:
hmmm, someone BROKE THE LAW and blinded me, he is an IDIOT!
i will now BREAK THE LAW and blind him too, i am SMART!

this, of course, makes sense.
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Um, not sure who exactly you are referring to but let's just clarify something here. Driving with your fog lights on is illegal and shows you have very little respect for other road users. Seeing someone being an idiot on the road and flashing your high beams to let them know that they are an idiot is a public service!
 
LancelotSA said:
Um, not sure who exactly you are referring to but let's just clarify something here. Driving with your fog lights on is illegal and shows you have very little respect for other road users. Seeing someone being an idiot on the road and flashing your high beams to let them know that they are an idiot is a public service!
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i'm sorry, i must have missed the law that states that public service acts are exempt from the law.
 
imajin said:
i'm sorry, i must have missed the law that states that public service acts are exempt from the law.
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You're barking up a non-existent tree, mate. Flashing lights at someone to draw their attention to something is perfectly within the bounds of the law.
 
imajin said:
i'm sorry, i must have missed the law that states that public service acts are exempt from the law.
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Flashing your headlights is a perfectly acceptable means of bringing something to another driver's attention

6) The driver of the second vehicle may make the driver of the first vehicle aware that he or she intends to overtake the first vehicle by giving the driver thereof a visible signal by means of flashing the headlights of his or her vehicle.
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http://www.arrivealive.co.za/pages.aspx?i=822

No need to quote the law about fog lights as I did that earlier already.
 
LancelotSA said:
As dangerous as it may be, I do exactly the same to those with fog lights on. Secretly I am probably hoping they lose control, swerve off the road and we have one less idiot in the world. Rather that than some innocent person losing control as a result of being blinded by said idiot.
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LancelotSA said:
Flashing your headlights is a perfectly acceptable means of bringing something to another driver's attention


http://www.arrivealive.co.za/pages.aspx?i=822

No need to quote the law about fog lights as I did that earlier already.
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that doesn't look like your flashing your lights to me. it looks like you leave them on.

and the law you stated seems to me like it specifically refers to overtaking.
 
imajin said:
that doesn't look like your flashing your lights to me. it looks like you leave them on.

and the law you stated seems to me like it specifically refers to overtaking.
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Just keep barking then.... :rolleyes:

What exactly looks like "you leave them on" with regards to flashing? I think you are confusing yourself here. This thread is about people driving with their fog lights on. I am referring to flashing these individuals to let them know that they are being an annoyance to other road users. You seemed to think this was an illegal act in itself.

That quote did indeed refer to flashing to indicate that you are wanting to over take but I made an incorrect assumption that you would be able to deduce from that, that flashing is not illegal.
 
Driving with high beams on behind someone with their rear fog light(s) on is permissible under the unwritten rule of reciprocal annoyance. Although, if opportunity presents, I'd be much more inclined to courteously make the offending driver aware that he is blinding those behind him. Some of us just have a different approach, I guess...
 
Front fog lights on = "I am p1ss cool", nothing more
Rear fog lights on = "I am fsuk stupid"

As for Lead SA and the "switch your lights on during the day" initiative ... Do you really think it is safer? Not if you are the biker splitting lanes on the highway. If only bikes have their headlights on, it is quite easy to see them approaching in your rearview mirrors, but if all the cars behind you have their lights on it becomes a bit more difficult. This, unfortunately, has now lead to some bikers having their high beams on all the time.

On another note, thanks to all the drivers out there who "Think Bike". To the occasional idiot who tries to cut us off because "he has to sit in traffic", so so should the biker: We're part of the solution buddy, not the problem, the fact that I'm not in my car is making things slightly better for you as well.
 
I always yield to bikers because as far as I am concerned, they are more advance than me because they can do things on two wheels that I need four wheels for. I'm not being sarcastic, I am serious. You would be surprised how polite bikers are if they see you are aware of them and giving them a gap. If motorists had that same attitude there would be a lot less problems.

I only use my rear fog light to get back at front fog light abusers and brights-on drivers.
 
TYR said:
On another note, thanks to all the drivers out there who "Think Bike". To the occasional idiot who tries to cut us off because "he has to sit in traffic", so so should the biker: We're part of the solution buddy, not the problem, the fact that I'm not in my car is making things slightly better for you as well.
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/OT
How about bikers that can decide on which side of the middle line they want to scream past? You can't make way for one bike, while cutting off the other one on the other side of your car.
 
Nod said:
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How about bikers that can decide on which side of the middle line they want to scream past? You can't make way for one bike, while cutting off the other one on the other side of your car.
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You should be aware of what's going on around you. Hence my attitude with bikers is simple - if I see them well in advance, I'll yield to whichever side is most convenient to me. However, in the rare instance that I'm caught unawares by a set of Kawasaki headlights, I'll just hold station; a sudden attempt to yield could take the biker by surprise and lead to a less than ideal result.
 
enigma243 said:
You're barking up a non-existent tree, mate. Flashing lights at someone to draw their attention to something is perfectly within the bounds of the law.
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Is that not the same as speeding up to somebody, who is speeding. To tell said person, that they are speeding?

Don't attack me, just a question.
 
Nod said:
/OT
How about bikers that can decide on which side of the middle line they want to scream past? You can't make way for one bike, while cutting off the other one on the other side of your car.
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We are heading off topic here but.......

Yip, there are two sides to every story. You get the bikers who thread through traffic when there are traffic jams, which is fair enough (although some do come rather close to scratching the cars). But then you also get those who feel that the freeways are their personal playground and they scream along weaving through traffic. Not only is that act alone rather dangerous but it also often has the effect of startling other road users which I have often seen result in them instinctively swerving as something all of a sudden appears in their peripheral vision. The fact that most of these bike riders also feel that speed limits don't apply to them also lessens my respect for them.
 
seanyp00h said:
Is that not the same as speeding up to somebody, who is speeding. To tell said person, that they are speeding?

Don't attack me, just a question.
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Technically no, as the law allows for flashing your lights. Granted, from what I know it is mentioned in terms of indicating your intention to pass the person in front of you, but the action isn't specifically prohibited anywhere else in the act.

Trying to catch up to a speeding driver in order to confront him does sound a little daft to me, though. You're instantly turning 1 person driving like a numpty into 2 people driving like numpties.
 
LancelotSA said:
Just keep barking then.... :rolleyes:

What exactly looks like "you leave them on" with regards to flashing? I think you are confusing yourself here. This thread is about people driving with their fog lights on. I am referring to flashing these individuals to let them know that they are being an annoyance to other road users. You seemed to think this was an illegal act in itself.

That quote did indeed refer to flashing to indicate that you are wanting to over take but I made an incorrect assumption that you would be able to deduce from that, that flashing is not illegal.
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LancelotSA said:
No, because flashing is not illegal.
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all you've shown is that flashing is not illegal when trying to overtake. so from that you conclude that flashing is always legal?

so like seanyp00h asked, if i see someone doing 80 in a 60 zone, can i conclude that it is legal to do 120 in a 120 zone so therefore i can do 120 in the 60 zone in order to speed up to the 80 driver and flash my lights at him to tell him to slow down because it is legal to flash my lights to tell him i want to overtake?

as for you saying you meant you would flash your lights, you were agreeing to
AstroTurf said:
What really bugs me is idiots with lights not adjusted properly, especially bakkies and 4x4's.

In our area the mapllotters do this so they can see further on the dirt roads. As they come past me I just leave my floods on now days, half they time they put their own floods on and the light passes above my car.
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when you said

LancelotSA said:
As dangerous as it may be, I do exactly the same to those with fog lights on. Secretly I am probably hoping they lose control, swerve off the road and we have one less idiot in the world. Rather that than some innocent person losing control as a result of being blinded by said idiot.
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so was me concluding that you were referring to leaving your brights on wrong?
 
Rear fog lights are bloody dangerous. Front fogs have never bothered me in the slightest and they increase my peripheral lighting, so I drive with them on at night. I cannot fathom why some people have such a major issue with them - the beams do not intersect - they are aimed downwards towards the road and therefore do not blind anyone apart from the odd ex-dog or cat. If they were blinding, they'd be so on their own, which they certainly are not...
 
imajin said:
so like seanyp00h asked, if i see someone doing 80 in a 60 zone, can i conclude that it is legal to do 120 in a 120 zone so therefore i can do 120 in the 60 zone in order to speed up to the 80 driver and flash my lights at him to tell him to slow down because it is legal to flash my lights to tell him i want to overtake?
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Is that supposed to be some form of analogy? If it is then it's FAIL.
 
imajin said:
all you've shown is that flashing is not illegal when trying to overtake. so from that you conclude that flashing is always legal?
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What about if you thought you were going to overtake, but decide not to at the last moment, but already flashed the guy. Would you now have broken the law?
 
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