Fog Lamps.....

[Hogrod]

Roux, I'm not the one who is obsessed here, so don't let's get confused on that count. As far as looking cool with fog lights on, well that has to one of the most pathetic things you have ever said . I run with fog lights on at night to improve night vision, as they fill in the area directly in front of the car. During the day, they are one way of not blinding oncoming motorists, but remaining visible.

I do not have to drive around trying to look cool in order to impress people.

I repeat, I run with lights on to be visible...end of story, now put a sock in it and go and bug someone else.

You run with fog lights to improve night vision? Are you serious. What are you looking for 2 metres infront of your own bonnet?

 

[Claymore]

Just for the sake of arguing with accurate information at hand, that's incorrect.

Really? Can you please tell me which models of car have cut-off lenses on their foglights? I checked mine; it's a perfectly smooth, round lens, no cut-off markings at all. Ditto most car models I can think of.

 

[Claymore]

You run with fog lights to improve night vision? Are you serious. What are you looking for 2 metres infront of your own bonnet?

Seconded. By the time anything's in the range of light of the foglights, it's too late to even react, never mind actually do something about it.

I do my part for people using foglights: I flash my lights at them to warn them.

 

[HapticSimian]

Really? Can you please tell me which models of car have cut-off lenses on their foglights? I checked mine; it's a perfectly smooth, round lens, no cut-off markings at all. Ditto most car models I can think of.

The cut-off you see with normal headlights have little to nothing to do with the etchings on the glass, and everything to do with the guard around the bulb. Fog lights without a cut-off would not be usable for their primary purpose, as much of the light would be cast upwards & end up blinding the driver by reflecting off the fog in front of you; hence no longer fit to be called fog lights.

 

[Fazda]

You run with fog lights to improve night vision? Are you serious. What are you looking for 2 metres infront of your own bonnet?

Yes I am serious. Your headlights show up well ahead of you and the fogs are used as fillers for the area closer to the front of the car. If that confuses you then I am ever so sorry. I prefer to have a situation as close to daylight when driving at night, and if fogs and xenons help, then all the better.

I presume you are the type who prefers not to know what he is about to hit, or just tries to work out what he has hit when he scrapes the blood and hair off his bumper the next morning.

Get a life FFS arguing against something that is inherently a safety factor that might save your life is as bloody stupid as doing a bungee jump without a safety harness.

 

[Fazda]

That's one of the daftest reasons I've heard of. Have you ever bothered to work out what the range of the foglights is (you get about 5 metres), and then how slowly you have to be going to be able to react in time to something coming within the range of the foglights? I'll give you a clue: at 60kph, you're covering almost 17 metres per second.

And yet, while the foglights don't help the driver much, because they don't have cut-off lenses they're bright (typically as bright as normal headlights) to oncoming drivers, putting those drivers at risk.

Bollocks! Read my other reply.

 

[pookfuzz]

Yes I am serious. Your headlights show up well ahead of you and the fogs are used as fillers for the area closer to the front of the car. If that confuses you then I am ever so sorry. I prefer to have a situation as close to daylight when driving at night, and if fogs and xenons help, then all the better.

I presume you are the type who prefers not to know what he is about to hit, or just tries to work out what he has hit when he scrapes the blood and hair off his bumper the next morning.

Get a life FFS arguing against something that is inherently a safety factor that might save your life is as bloody stupid as doing a bungee jump without a safety harness.

It sounds like you might have a night vision problem, you should visit an optometrist.
I am pretty sure if the normal car headlights did not illuminate the road sufficiently the lights would have been made bigger/brighter. The fact you seem to think the fog lights help could all just be in your head or it could be an early sign of cataracts or Retinitis pigmentosa.

People are telling you they get blinded by the fog lights. If used incorrectly it is pretty obvious they are not safe, if they were supposed to be used as extra headlights I am sure they would not be called fog lights.

If you really worried about your safety go get your eyes checked out, its easy, quick and could save your life ( and other peoples lives too ).

 

[Rouxenator]

Listen fog light freaks - not only are you :
*breaking the law,
*putting up a futile fight,
*making extremely lame excuses,
*making your self look incompetent,
*taking on the almighty Rouxenator,
*(and have a boring taste in cars)
you are also annoying other road users as you can clearly see from the posts here.

Did I mention breaking the law?

So really - you have no excuse - beat it and just accept that for once you are wrong. It might be a new experience.

 

[Hogrod]

Yes I am serious. Your headlights show up well ahead of you and the fogs are used as fillers for the area closer to the front of the car. If that confuses you then I am ever so sorry. I prefer to have a situation as close to daylight when driving at night, and if fogs and xenons help, then all the better.

I presume you are the type who prefers not to know what he is about to hit, or just tries to work out what he has hit when he scrapes the blood and hair off his bumper the next morning.

Get a life FFS arguing against something that is inherently a safety factor that might save your life is as bloody stupid as doing a bungee jump without a safety harness.

Lol, I'd like to see how you're going to react to an object within 5 meters of your vehicle that's suddenly bathed in your filler lighting when you're 60kph? There's no stuffing way you'll even know what it was before you hit it at that distance. Did you do velocity, time, distance at school? mmm I'm guessing, no.

If you can provide a logical reason on how fog lights can help you avoid an accident at night or improve safety at night (when it's not foggy) I'd love to hear it. And filling the dark bits 5m in front of your car won't count.
And why on earth would you want to create a situation around you that's closer to daylight at night? That's retarded, you need your headlights to work on the road ahead while allowing your night vision to adapt to the environment around you, and vision beyond the beam of your headlights. It's idiotic to create ambient light close to you (as fogs do) in order to see further, all it will do is impede your night vision.
Actually as an experiment I'd like to see you drive around with the all the interior lighting on in your car and see how well that helps you travel down the road. According to your argument, it will feel like daylight around you, so you'll be the brightest driver on the road.

 

[Fazda]

I actually don't care if you idiots prefer to drive in the dark, I like to see what is ahead of me, end of story.

Those of you saying that fogs don't make a difference have obviously never driven a car with fogs and seen the difference, so I will just put that down ignorance...enjoy...

 

[Rouxenator]

I actually don't care if you idiots prefer to drive in the dark, I like to see what is ahead of me, end of story.

Switch on your lights at night and you should be fine. On the open road when no one is around feel free to switch on your brights, fog lights, hazards, fleshlight and discoball. When you approach civilization return to normal (dimmed) lights.

Those of you saying that fogs don't make a difference have obviously never driven a car with fogs and seen the difference, so I will just put that down ignorance...enjoy...

It makes a huge difference.


In fog.

 

[Claymore]

The cut-off you see with normal headlights have little to nothing to do with the etchings on the glass, and everything to do with the guard around the bulb. Fog lights without a cut-off would not be usable for their primary purpose, as much of the light would be cast upwards & end up blinding the driver by reflecting off the fog in front of you; hence no longer fit to be called fog lights.

Right. And yet, most foglights have a very broad range of light, both horizontal and vertical. How do you hand-wave that away?

 

[Claymore]

I actually don't care if you idiots prefer to drive in the dark, I like to see what is ahead of me, end of story.

Those of you saying that fogs don't make a difference have obviously never driven a car with fogs and seen the difference, so I will just put that down ignorance...enjoy...

I have foglights on my car, and the little extra glow around the front of the car is heart-warming, but useless from a driving point of view. I prefer to have lights that shed light where I need it.

 

[HapticSimian]

Right. And yet, most foglights have a very broad range of light, both horizontal and vertical. How do you hand-wave that away?

Any evidence for this? Far as I have it what I've just explained entails that fog lights should cast light down from their mounted position... not up? If they do, they cease to be fog lights at all & can be equated with high beam lights - a bulb with no guard would cast light in all arcs that the shape of the reflector allows.

It sounds like you've got driving/spot lights in mind, almost like those used in the rally for night stages.

 

[Albereth]

I actually don't care if you idiots prefer to drive in the dark, I like to see what is ahead of me, end of story.

Those of you saying that fogs don't make a difference have obviously never driven a car with fogs and seen the difference, so I will just put that down ignorance...enjoy...

S'okay. You drive with your fog lights on, I drive with my high beams on. That way you get to see stars too.

 

[Rouxenator]

Any evidence for this? Far as I have it what I've just explained entails that fog lights should cast light down from their mounted position... not up? If they do, they cease to be fog lights at all & can be equated with high beam lights - a bulb with no guard would cast light in all arcs that the shape of the reflector allows.

It sounds like you've got driving/spot lights in mind, almost like those used in the rally for night stages.

Stop trolling VAG.
http://transport.dot.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs06.html

(6) No person shall operate on a public road, a motor vehicle while any fog lamp fitted to such vehicle is lit, except in conditions of poor visibility caused by snow, fog, mist, dust or smoke.

S'okay. You drive with your fog lights on, I drive with my high beams on. That way you get to see stars too.

+1

 

[HapticSimian]

http://transport.dot.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs06.html

Stop trolling VAG.

+1

Dude, in all likelihood we're all prone to do things, knowingly or not, that are in contravention of some bit of legislation somewhere; it's not really an effective argument.

I reiterate my position: I'll use my fogs in urban driving at night, because they do enhance visibility at lower speeds. They are properly adjusted, so shouldn't bother anyone else any more than normal dipped beams. I've never had anyone moan about it, and will re-evaluate my position if and when that happens. Until then, I'll worry about more pertinent things in life.

 

[Rouxenator]

Dude, in all likelihood we're all prone to do things, knowingly or not, that are in contravention of some bit of legislation somewhere; it's not really an effective argument.

Going a little over the speed limit, not coming to a full stop at a stop street, skipping a red light when no one is around and it is late at night, forgetting to wear your seat belt - all those I can understand in a way.

But blatantly switching on your fog lights when there is no fog? I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for you then. (which I your case I never had because you drive a tasteless car).

Your regular lights do a good enough job without annoying other road users - if its good enough for us then its good enough for you.

 

[HapticSimian]

Going a little over the speed limit, not coming to a full stop at a stop street, skipping a red light when no one is around and it is late at night, forgetting to wear your seat belt - all those I can understand in a way.

But blatantly switching on your fog lights when there is no fog? I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for you then. (which I your case I never had because you drive a tasteless car).

Your regular lights do a good enough job without annoying other road users - if its good enough for us then its good enough for you.

I never did ask for your sympathy. And, pray tell, do you even know what I drive?

 

[Rouxenator]

You drive a VAG in all probability and there are three things to consider before you switch on your fog lights in non foggy conditions :

1) Its illegal.
2) The rest of us cope just fine without them, so whats your handicap?
3) Even if they run at 50% brightness and have no effect on anyone, people will still notice it and go "Wat 'n poephol! Dink hy's cool in sy Polo met fog lights aan."