FPB earmarks R8m to censor online

The bigger issue in the long run could be that if they cannot censor and remove content, they will just outright order ISP's to block the sites where the content comes from. Sure, proxies and vpns. But these aren't always very reliable and while a VPN is the best way to go, free ones are dodgy just like free proxies, and not everybody can afford paying for a good one either when we've got so many economy problems here already and it's only getting worse.

This is the kind of power the FPB can have if this goes through. And as others have stated about YouTube and Facebook, one can easily try order a country block if not a full on take down to Facebook or to YouTube or some other site in order to keep things from being seen. The FPB seems extremely determined on censoring the web for South Africans. I wish someone like Helen Zille would step in. I reckon she would see through these lies about trying to protect children and such >.>
 
I know.

Now, they may ask submit Content ID for keywords in video audio (eliminate "counter-revolutionary" yapping), text recognition ("inaccurate" infographics), color (pr0nz), etc...

Not how it works, your original work has to be on your own channel so it can compare to other videos.

What they would need is more a custom system, which Google will tell them to stuff themselves. The FPB will have to try supoena IP's for channels for the ones they cant find out who owns.
 
Not how it works, your original work has to be on your own channel so it can compare to other videos.

What they would need is more a custom system, which Google will tell them to stuff themselves. The FPB will have to try supoena IP's for channels for the ones they cant find out who owns.

How can they do that? Will they try to correlate Youtube's time stamps with the various records of users in SA? SA user uploads a YT video. It has a certain date and time. Now will they go through thousands of users who may have connected to YT for a long enough time to upload the video? They'd have to have direct connections to the ISP's themselves to do this. And would this not need some sort of subpoena? They're looking at what thousands of other people are doing.
 
How can they do that? Will they try to correlate Youtube's time stamps with the various records of users in SA? SA user uploads a YT video. It has a certain date and time. Now will they go through thousands of users who may have connected to YT for a long enough time to upload the video? They'd have to have direct connections to the ISP's themselves to do this. And would this not need some sort of subpoena? They're looking at what thousands of other people are doing.

yip, why a budget of R8m is laughable, as said earlier they will most likely target the few popular users(news24 etc)

They have to go look at every youtube vid uploaded/being distributed in SA, then find out who owns.

It's laughable because it will only be used to censor videos and vids they don't want to allow will never get the "rating"
 
Don't get me wrong, I am all for protecting children from harmful content, but I then also think that this needs to become responsibility of schools, parents etc. Some snippets about the FPB policy below:

Yup. What FPB can do is facilitate the availability of free parental blocking software. That's all they should do. As well as run awareness campaigns for parents that such and such software is available to block content they did not approve of which can be a whitelist i.e. very easy to maintain. Everything else is blocked by default.

Children need to be protected by their parents first. Secondly there are already child lock software available.





Case in point: We frequently receive complaints on our marketplace about "pornographic" content (read: lingerie - http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/category/917/Clothing_Shoes_Accessories_Womens_Clothing_Lingerie.jsp). We also receive complaints about products not agreeing with cultural, religious, political background - none of which are offensive (i.e. people complaining about the insensitivity of books critical towards a religion, political group etc). This goes as far as people complaining about "50 Shades of Grey" being sold online, where the same is tolerated by people walking through a CNA or bookstore. 99% of those complaints are baseless, as they do not violate or infringe on any persons rights. I also think that accessing certain content is by choice and as such, if a school allows access to PornHub on their WiFi network, it should really be the school made accountable and not the children accessing such content. In the same sense, parents should install content filters on phones and laptops to provide age-compliant content. There are many applications an only proxies out there, which provide this content filtering already.

Sure but you're a business. Your users if they banded together and threatened to boycott your site or your advertisers would pretty much see you do a 180 turn and you'd be banning that lingerie or that book.

My biggest worry is that under the umbrella "let's protect our children from the evil of the internet", that SA will result in a nanny-/police-state, comparable to the SOPA-days in the US or how Russia, Turkey, Korea police internet content. Would the FPB now decide if gay marriage/relationships is inappropriate for kids and as such censor all such content (although such content might be opinion pieces and does not include nudity)? What about a critical documentary against the leading party? Or a church? Or a specific demographics?

Funnily enough Russia's internet is pretty free if compared to a place like the UK. Only USA has genuine free speech protections.

I think if you read a few of the pages of the draft (http://www.fpb.org.za/profile-fpb/legislation1/514-draft-online-regulation-policy-2014/file) you will notice, that the FPB makes the draft out to be protecting children, but paints this with a very broad brush - i.e. covering religion, politics, race etc and I would fear that such attempt would stifle any open discussion about issues, since the FPB would just make content disappear before it actually sees it's light (I doubt that they will ever manage to do this, as this would mean, they would have to take control of the actual Internet).



When the FPB means "Online content" it is actually pretty much everything online:


Let this sink in for a moment:

Oh true. Remember this is South Africa where if you order more than 3 items in seperate packages online from abroad in one year, you must register as an importer. Where our duty free allowance is a pitiful R250 per year for gifts - which is total BS because a gift should never require payment of a VAT or duty- after all you still have the money and you can still spend it on goods which generate VAT.

So in essence, how will those intermediaries be able to filter content without "spying" on your every move. With this would then also come bypassing of encryption/HTTPs/VPNs to be able to classify such content. This has broad implications for all our privacy.

They don't need to spy on your every move. They can forbid access to non-whitelisted sites or access is allowed only to these sites which meet FPB's political correctness standards. All else is verboten. They don't need to see that you wanted to connect to a non-approved site, in fact they could even prevent such info from being recorded. The effect will be that you can't get to those non-whitelisted domains.

The policy covers anyone and any content, irrespective of where the content originates from. So technically, if you bypass local filters via VPN or other means, you could get yourself into trouble for showing/viewing content which the FPB deems illegal (which is in their policy really undefined what inappropriate means and seems to be rather subjective):

It's mostly subjective when it comes to what governments think need censoring. One's man's hate speech is another man's right to free speech.

Hold on, but BidOrBuy already sells products - DVDs and games which have not been FPB rated. Surely it's "illegal" and yet it's legal. Customs also allows the import of any game or DVD under the sun although several may be banned in SA but legal in a place like USA.

If you think about all of the above, the FPB's policy is not enforceable - and I leave it with this (and why we should not burn tax-payer money):

It's not enforceable UNLESS they force ISP level filtering, I would think. There's no way in heck that Youtube, Vimeo etc will help them put FPB logos on these videos.
 
Yup. What FPB can do is facilitate the availability of free parental blocking software. That's all they should do. As well as run awareness campaigns for parents that such and such software is available to block content they did not approve of which can be a whitelist i.e. very easy to maintain. Everything else is blocked by default.

Children need to be protected by their parents first. Secondly there are already child lock software available.

Yeah, but that difficult if parents are not tech-savvy, hardened by tech-savvy kids nowadays. At least they'll learn hacking. Hey, that's educational!


Funnily enough Russia's internet is pretty free if compared to a place like the UK. Only USA has genuine free speech protections.

You must be kidding me...

Popular bloggers are classified as media as of 1 Aug 2014 and should have:

В частности, они обязаны публиковать свои фамилию и контактные данные, не имеют право публиковать непроверенную информацию, разглашать сведения, составляющие гостайну, распространять экстремистские материалы, пропагандировать порнографию, культ насилия и жестокости и т.п.
Translation:
They [bloggers] should publish their real name and contact numbers. They are prohibited to post false information, classified information/secrets, extremist contents, propagandise pornography, violence and cruelty cults, etc


Hold on, but BidOrBuy already sells products - DVDs and games which have not been FPB rated. Surely it's "illegal" and yet it's legal. Customs also allows the import of any game or DVD under the sun although several may be banned in SA but legal in a place like USA.
Even Japanese hentai???! :wtf::eek::eek: (You know what I do mean)

It's not enforceable UNLESS they force ISP level filtering, I would think. There's no way in heck that Youtube, Vimeo etc will help them put FPB logos on these videos.
They won't help, but would block per country aka "This video is not available in your county. Sorry about that.", until FPB make up their minds on video "morality".

Still filtering could be evaded with aforementioned services, unless they'll do HTTPS/SSL/VPN eavesdropping.

This is different, a new story. Think of your company's trade secrets, think of your banking data, think of all your login credentials to everything... In short, kaput.
 
Yeah, but that difficult if parents are not tech-savvy, hardened by tech-savvy kids nowadays. At least they'll learn hacking. Hey, that's educational!

Whatever. There are always ways to bypass the best systems. If a kid will go to such great lengths, he'll use a VPN and get total access.



Translation:
They [bloggers] should publish their real name and contact numbers. They are prohibited to post false information, classified information/secrets, extremist contents, propagandise pornography, violence and cruelty cults, etc

Free depends on what you mean. You can probably pirate stuff much easier than in the UK with less risk of internet bans. And even in the UK, you don't have true anonymity. As long as you post innocuous stuff you're anonymous. Remember you're only as anonymous as long as some bureaucrat does not target you.

Look at the UK:

UK laws on defamation are among the strictest in the western world, imposing a high burden of proof on the defendant.


And SA has the FPB thanks to the UK:
The Video Recordings Act 2010 requires most video recordings and some video games offered for sale in the United Kingdom to display a classification supplied by the BBFC.

More: "In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act. However there is a broad sweep of exceptions including threatening, abusive or insulting words or behavior intending or likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress or cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech targeted at individuals),[121][122][123] sending another any article which is indecent or grossly offensive with an intent to cause distress or anxiety (which has been used to prohibit speech of a racist or anti-religious nature),[124][125][126] incitement,[127] incitement to racial hatred,[128] incitement to religious hatred, incitement to terrorism including encouragement of terrorism and dissemination of terrorist publications,[127][129][130] glorifying terrorism,[131][132][133] collection or possession of a document or record containing information likely to be of use to a terrorist,..."

Just different ways to shut down unwanted speech because one could classify anything under those. And as said, just because you don't put your name there, does not mean they don't know who you are.

Even Japanese hentai???! :wtf::eek::eek: (You know what I do mean)

Anything which does not have the FPB sticker on it. It can be a Viennese Philharmonic video or Swan Lake. No FPB sticker = same as though it's banned content.


They won't help, but would block per country aka "This video is not available in your county. Sorry about that.", until FPB make up their minds on video "morality".

Maybe.
 
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And of course Google also enters the censorship fray:

http://www.newscientist.com/article...o-rank-websites-based-on-facts-not-links.html

Sites which don't meet Googles' consensus view will not appear in results or be ranked much worse. Basic group think.

We can all agree, that when it comes to organic search, it will always be in the interest of Google/Yahoo/Bing etc that advertising rules first. The only reason Google has search is so that it can compliment it with paid advertising - as this is where the majority of their revenue originates. It is very naive to think that Google will always surface search results with the interest of the searcher/user in mind (search relevancy).

Like others said, once platforms such as Youtube are going to be blocked, content moves on to other sites such as Liveleaks, Vimeo etc. There will never be a way to block/censor content, unless it is done like in Russia or China, where the countries take complete ownership of the local and international backbones with eavesdropping into secure traffic and ruling strong encryption to bypass such blocks as illegal. As much as you don't want to believe it, with the move of the FPB, we are halfway there already. Add to it subjective organisations such as ISPA/ICASA (when I say subjective, their interest/support is with the paying parties - so either government or ISPs and not with the consumer) and you are knee-deep in censorship already.

I doubt however, that South Africa has any form of activism in this regard and the likes of Memeburn, Techcrunch, MyBB are just rehashing/breaking news for click-bait rather than actively contributing to the progressive growth of the industry they report on (I know those comments are harsh, but none of the mediums mentioned have actively participated in any legislation, policy or activity to support the consumer).
 
We can all agree, that when it comes to organic search, it will always be in the interest of Google/Yahoo/Bing etc that advertising rules first. The only reason Google has search is so that it can compliment it with paid advertising - as this is where the majority of their revenue originates. It is very naive to think that Google will always surface search results with the interest of the searcher/user in mind (search relevancy).

True. And nobody is disputing this. However this form of censorship seems to be overlooked, and my point was that censorship can exist anywhere and under any guise. Like it or not, the internet days of freedom are approaching their end. Those early 90s were the heyday, now we're in decline, whether we live here or in the West. Still it's likely that a country like USA will have better freedom of speech protections than others, us, the UK or Russia. Still as Google allows access to so much of the web, we may see effective censorship by corporates on ideological basis.
 
True. And nobody is disputing this. However this form of censorship seems to be overlooked, and my point was that censorship can exist anywhere and under any guise. Like it or not, the internet days of freedom are approaching their end. Those early 90s were the heyday, now we're in decline, whether we live here or in the West. Still it's likely that a country like USA will have better freedom of speech protections than others, us, the UK or Russia. Still as Google allows access to so much of the web, we may see effective censorship by corporates on ideological basis.

Think about the following: If you combine the Protection of State Information Bill (I am still puzzled that Zuma did not sign the bill into law, as this would have helped the ruling party greatly, although perhaps they feared that this will lead to SOPA-like backlash) with the FPB initiative, ECT (and the revision of ECT) and POPI, the government has established an information framework which will make it impossible for anyone to question, highlight or criticise the doings of the government. While state-owned-enterprises such as Eskom, Transnet, SAPO, SAA are in a complete mess, think about if you would have ever known about this under those laws properly enforced.

We already now lack any accountability and responsibility with entities such as the public protector or any other regulatory or consumer representative body being laughed off and further reduction of such transparency will truly leave us in the dark. I tend to think that all opposition parties are failing us to challenge such issues (such as what happened with e-tolls, Eskom, Nkandla etc) as they only seem to focus on electioneering.
 
Thanks for the pm I started mailing all the DA emails I could get
 
Welp, the petition reached 1k today. Still not much progress though speed wise :| And so far media doesn't really seem to care or even know about whats going on. Tried emailing a number of em. No luck so far x-x
 
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