How so? I never agreed with or condoned their actions. I'm attempting to rationalize them from a different perspective.
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How so? I never agreed with or condoned their actions. I'm attempting to rationalize them from a different perspective.
killadoob
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Massive troop loses, the only way to nail iran is hit them hard, make them surrender. The US public won't be to happy with vietnam style body bags so to save lives they will drops nukes again.
When a ‘leader’ of a country declares his intention to ‘wipe Israel off the map’. And a country led by this twat should have nuclear arms? The directives of a clerical autocracy can seem arbitrary and incoherent to us because they are. Any government that is not Islamic and shiite will be viewed as promoting ‘banal directives and petty tyrannies that aren’t based on theocracy’.
A more powerful power (Clausewitz (On War) and Sun Tzu (The Art of War) and Machiavelli (The Prince) all agree on this) has the upper hand, whether you like it or not.
So, the populations of tyrannical theocracies would rather be oppressed (and die for) their oppressors than have the freedoms of democracy? Bwahahahaha!
What makes you think the goal is occupation? What makes you think there'll be invasion? What makes you think it will be the Americans directly involved rather than solely the Israelis?
killadoob
Honorary Master
You really think israel can take on iran alone? They will need to invade, unless they think they can just bomb iran like have libya
Since they dropped that nuke the americans seem to think ample amounts of bombing can win wars. Failed in vietnam, failed in iraq, failed in afghanistan, failed in libya and it will fail in iran
killadoob
Honorary Master
You really think israel can take on iran alone? They will need to invade, unless they think they can just bomb iran like they have in libya
Since they dropped that nuke the americans seem to think ample amounts of bombing can win wars. Failed in vietnam, failed in iraq, failed in afghanistan, failed in libya and it will fail in iran
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Hence the rationale for pursuing a nuclear weapon. It’s the ultimate deterrent; even against the most powerful nations. (The Prince was a satirical work, btw, and notice how I’m not justifying or condoning anything; I’m rationalizing).
It's funny, you missed my point entirely. Who will be the ones killing and dying for the mythical freedom of democracy? Ah yes, citizens of some other government exercising power at the behest of its citizens’ livelihoods.
And please don't try and couch the intentions of war for some "noble" democratic cause. I don't think the people of Iraq and Afghanistan would testify to that kind of nobility.
In any case, you've already established that you think war is necessary because the regime in Iran is not compliant and this makes it seem irrational and dangerous. And how will a war help the people you claim to want to liberate? The people in Egypt and Tunisia didn't need a foreign power to attack them to eventually realize the state is their enemy. Your "solution" seems to be to help the oppressed along by slaughtering them. Has the past decade shown us nothing to learn from?
VioAdmin
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F the French. Leave Iran to do as it pleases! You notice how they are quite about North Korea because North Korea is ready to attack at will. Iran needs to stand up for whatever they believe and tell these colonizers they can't control everyone on the planet.
You really think israel can take on iran alone? They will need to invade, unless they think they can just bomb iran like have libya
Again, why would they invade? Why do you think occupation is their intention? I think an attack would only be undertaken to try to thwart Iran's potential nuclear detterent. Israel and the West want Iran to remain in the status quo of the past 30 years: isolated, sanctioned and impotent. The Shah used to do that internally for them, but since he got overthrown they've had to exercise power externally.
You really think israel can take on iran alone? They will need to invade, unless they think they can just bomb iran like they have in libya
Since they dropped that nuke the americans seem to think ample amounts of bombing can win wars. Failed in vietnam, failed in iraq, failed in afghanistan, failed in libya and it will fail in iran
oh yeah and Saddam, Mullah Omar and Gaddafi are celebrating victory...
marine1
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Iran IMO will be the next nation to use nuclear weapons 
Watch this space.
Watch this space.TheHiveMind
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I wouldn't want the current iranian regime to have nukes, they are obviously extremist.
I do support their stance against saudi arabia though, for cutting down protesters in bahrain. Of course the iranian regime are also hypocrites, expressing support for all revolutions outside of their country, while maintaining absolute control and being merciless inside their own borders.
I do support their stance against saudi arabia though, for cutting down protesters in bahrain. Of course the iranian regime are also hypocrites, expressing support for all revolutions outside of their country, while maintaining absolute control and being merciless inside their own borders.
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killadoob
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So the US are celebrating victory hey?
Well human that is the problem with the bigger nations like the US, they are happy if bahrain and saudi nailed the uprising and killed their own people but let syria or iran do it and well no that is not acceptable.
All about who is friendly with the bigger nations. When you are friends with the US you can do whatever you like even slaughter your own people. You don't even need democracy if you are friends with them and we all know how much they push for democracy in countries that do not obey them.
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Rubbish! Conventional war could be a good thing for both Israel and the US. Consider:
Israel.
Item. Haaretz news should be treated with caution. They’re massively left wing (that’s why Aljazeera smaaks quoting them). But in this case (Netanyahu criticized for his hawk like stance) they may be right. Many in Israel are in denial and are desperately seeking alternatives to aggression against Iran. There are none. The population all do military service, they know full well the cost of war and they are not pampoene. The only alternative is a nuclear Iran. This is untenable for them and the rest of the free world is not crazy about it either. Maybe it’s a case of swallowing vile medicine while they still have military supremacy. It will buy them several more decades of relative peace.
America.
Item. Israel is surrounded by enemies. They will do the bleeding but material support is needed. It doesn’t cost the US any cash (in short supply) but they have huge stockpiles of military hardware. Jewish supporters in the US cannot be used as combat troops (language & military doctrine) but they are capable of running assembly plants in the US or performing essential administration or logistic functions (freeing troops for the frontline). It is also demonstrated to the pampered American population that existence is possible without a second holiday home and fluffy toilet paper. After a moment of discombobulation, the US population will come through (there is noting inherently wrong) and the ‘American Dream’ will bite the dust (as it deserves).
Israel = buys more time.
America = restores its economy and values (engineering is privileged, for e.g.) and makes the Jewish lobby happy. Increases hegemony in the ME?
killadoob
Honorary Master
Conventional war?
What is this that you speak of? This is not 1942, conventional war no longer exists
God forbid the jews should actually have to join the army to fight
, rather get the americans in there to die hey.
Apart from iran saying israel must go what has iran done to make israel and the US want to attack? Is this going to be another iraq where iran has weapons? Will the media fill everyones head with lies again for war because iran does not want to listen to the west?
What is this that you speak of? This is not 1942, conventional war no longer exists
God forbid the jews should actually have to join the army to fight
, rather get the americans in there to die hey.Apart from iran saying israel must go what has iran done to make israel and the US want to attack? Is this going to be another iraq where iran has weapons? Will the media fill everyones head with lies again for war because iran does not want to listen to the west?
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marine1
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Excuse me? More Jews have died in wars / genocide than you care to admit.Conventional war?
What is this that you speak of? This is not 1942, conventional war no longer exists
God forbid the jews should actually have to join the army to fight
Apart from iran saying israel must go what has iran done to make israel and the US want to attack? Is this going to another iraq where iran has weapons? Will the media fill everyones head with lies again for war because iran does not want to listen to the west?
I have never seen a Jewish Soldier back down. They will fight to protect their right o exist.
Excuse me? More Jews have died in wars / genocide than you care to admit.
I have never seen a Jewish Soldier back down. They will fight to protect their right o exist.
It would be more accurate to say Israeli. Not all Jews are Zionists or soldiers.
marine1
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Crap any Jew who has lived or lives in Israel had to go to the army, therefore they are all soldiers.
A jew in the army there doesn't mean he is an Israeli, I would go to their army to help them against Pricks hell bent on their destruction, does not make me an Israeli.
killadoob
Honorary Master
Excuse me? More Jews have died in wars / genocide than you care to admit.
I have never seen a Jewish Soldier back down. They will fight to protect their right o exist.
I don't doubt that just the way i read it was that the jews are better suited to building weapons than using them
Care to admit? why would i not want to admit how many jews have died? So every single jew in israel has been in the army? Jews look a lot like arabs in the israeli army if you ask me. I don't see a typical looking jew in the army
, are those arab looking jews actually jewish or converted?
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marine1
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Google is your friend :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces
I would gladly enrol if war was declared against her
Regular service
Main article: Conscription in Israel
IDF Nahal Brigade soldiers on their regular service
National military service is mandatory for all Israeli citizens over the age of 18, although Arab (but not Druze) citizens are exempted if they so please, and other exceptions may be made on religious, physical or psychological grounds (see Profile 21).
Men serve three years in the IDF, while women serve two. The IDF women who volunteer for several combat positions often serve for three years, due to the longer period of training. Women in other positions, such as programmers, who also require lengthy training time, may also serve three years. Women in most combat positions are also required to serve in the reserve for several years after they leave regular service.
Some distinguished recruits are selected to be trained in order to eventually become members of special forces units. Every brigade in the IDF has its own special force branch.