French strikes and riots {again}

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Masked youths clad in black torched cars, smashed storefronts and threw up roadblocks Tuesday, clashing with riot police across France as protests over raising the retirement age to 62 took a radical turn.

Hundreds of flights were canceled and desperate drivers searched for gas as oil refinery strikes and blockages emptied the pumps at nearly a third of the nation's gas stations.

A series of nationwide protests against the bill since early September have been largely peaceful. But Tuesday's clashes, notably just outside Paris and in the southeastern city of Lyon, revived memories of student unrest in 2006 that forced the government to abandon another highly unpopular labor bill.

Still, President Nicolas Sarkozy was unbending Tuesday, vowing to guarantee public order in the face of "troublemakers." The government announced a plan to pool gasoline stocks so that dry stations can be filled.

"There are people who want to work, the immense majority, and they cannot be deprived of gasoline," Sarkozy said.

A new test could come as early as Thursday, when students plan a day of mobilization with a demonstration in Paris hours before the Senate is to vote on the retirement measure.

"The government will continue to dislodge protesters blocking the fuel depots. ... No one has the right to take hostage an entire country, its economy and its jobs," Prime Minister Francois Fillon said after meeting with oil industry executives.

Some 4,000 gas stations — out of 12,700 nationwide — were empty of gas Tuesday afternoon, the Environment Ministry said.

French unions have a long tradition of street protests, but the current strife is particularly worrisome because it has touched the vital energy sector and is drawing often volatile youth into the mix.
Troublemakers tagged onto the coattails of student demonstrators in 2006 when the government was forced to abandon a law making it easier for employers to hire and fire young people. The specter of 2005 riots that spread through poor housing projects nationwide with large disenfranchised immigrant populations is never far away.

Today's protesters are trying to stop lawmakers from approving a bill that would raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 to prevent the pension system from going bankrupt as citizens live longer and a diminishing pool of young workers pay into the system.

Unions claim the move would erode France's near-sacred tradition of generous social benefits — including long vacations, contracts that make it hard for employers to lay off workers and a state-subsidized health care system — in favor of "American-style capitalism."

"France wouldn't be what it is today if the generations that came before us hadn't taken to the streets," said Lidwine Mure, a 32-year-old teacher who took part in all six Paris protests since September. Her dark clothes were a collage of pro-strike stickers.

Some 1.1 million people joined 260 protest marches across France on Tuesday, according to the Interior Ministry, though trade unions put the figure at three times that.

The Paris march, which drew some 60,000 people according to police, was peaceful despite a morning of violence at a high school on Nanterre, just west of the French capital, where several hundred youths threw stones at police and scuffled with outsiders. Police, lobbing tear gas, charged and barricaded the area. An Associated Press photographer was knocked off his motorbike and punched by the youths.

The most violent clashes occurred in Lyon, where rampaging youth torched garbage cans and cars and overturned bus stations. Numerous shops were pillaged. A second AP photographer was slightly injured.

Sarkozy has long touted his plan to increase the retirement age as his priority reform ahead of 2012 presidential elections, and the measure is expected to pass easily in the Senate, after being approved earlier by the lower house of parliament.

But victory could come at a high cost: The unpopular measure is widely seen as feeding Sarkozy's dismal approval ratings.

Polls show Sarkozy, who came into office in 2007 with a huge mandate, as unpopular as ever. According to the latest, published Tuesday, he had a 61 percent negative rating with only 35 percent of the 1,002 people surveyed giving him thumbs up. It was conducted by Viavoice for the daily Liberation.

Sarkozy's detractors contend the retirement reform favors the rich and feeds the notion of an elitist France run by a man cozy with captains of industry.

"In France, we have a big problem with inequality and those of us on the bottom are sick and tired of taking the hit, while those on high get off scot-free," said Pascale Thierse, a teacher at the Paris protest.

"With this reform the bottom is again getting swindled, while the richest keep getting tax rebates and the like."

Sarkozy called the reform his "duty" as head of state. The protests in France come as countries across Europe are cutting spending and raising taxes to bring down record deficits and debts from the worst recession in 70 years.

Half of flights Tuesday out of Paris' Orly airport were scrapped, and 30 percent out of other French airports, including the country's largest, Charles de Gaulle outside Paris, were canceled, the DGAC civil aviation authority said. Flights were expected to be normal Wednesday.

Strikes by oil refinery workers have proved most brutal for the French, searching for gas as pumps go empty.

Police in the northwestern town of Grand-Quevilly intervened Tuesday to dislodge protesters blocking a fuel depot, which had been completely sealed off since Monday, officials said.

The youth element added a new dimension to the protests — and a worry for authorities — with student leaders calling for a demonstration in front of the Senate on Wednesday.

The head of the UNEF student union, Jean-Baptiste Prevost, said the young people "have no other solution but to continue."

"Every time the government is firm, there are more people in the street," he told iTele.

The Mediterranean port city of Marseille has been particularly hard hit, with a strike by garbage collectors leaving the streets buried in heaps of trash. Still support for labor remains strong.

"Transport, the rubbish, the nurses, the teachers, the workers, the white collar, everyone who works, we should all be united. If there is no transport today, we're not all going to die from it," said Francoise Michelle, a 55-year-old Marseille resident.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101019/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_france_retirement_strikes

Wonder if Sarkosy can hold firm like Thatcher and beat these lazy arsed union thugs?

Expect more riots across Europe with the populace having hissy fits at their hand outs being taken away as the nanny states go down the toilet of bankruptcy.....
 
TIA!:D
Must they burn down everything in the process?

Well most of the car burning is done by African immigrants. But they're by no means the only culprits....

Burning cars and destroying property is a national pastime in France

Youths burned 1,137 cars across France overnight as New Year's Eve celebrations once again turned violent, the French Interior Ministry said on Friday.

Car burnings are regular occurrences in poor suburbs that ring France's big cities, but the arson is especially prevalent during New Year's Eve revelry.

The number of vehicles torched was only 10 short of the record 1,147 burned this time last year, even though the Interior Ministry mobilized 45,000 police during the night -- 10,000 more than 12 months ago.

It said police detained 549 people overnight, compared with 288 in 2009 New Year celebrations. However, unlike in previous years, there were no direct clashes between police and youths. "The few disturbances that did take place were brought swiftly under control," the ministry said in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60010D20100101

back in 2006...

The figures are stark. An average of 112 cars a day have been torched across France so far this year and there have been 15 attacks a day on police and emergency services. Nearly 3,000 police officers have been injured in clashes this year. Officers have been badly injured in four ambushes in the Paris outskirts since September. Some police talk of open war with youths who are bent on more than vandalism.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article607860.ece

Yet liberals continue to paint France as socialist utopia :sick:
 
Flying to Paris tonight with the missus...hope we can get out again.

looking forward to the art, eiffel and toyi-toyi!!:D
 
/ puts on best French accent

I fart in your general direction..... And burn a car or two.


P.S. We learned the last part from watching Inside Africa on CNN. Thanks guys.
 
:wtf: Here we go again

Please God no. I'm not implying religion is involved. I would just find it be funny if one of the masks these hoodlums are wearing just happen to be a burqa.

I'm disturbed like that.
 
Please God no. I'm not implying religion is involved. I would just find it be funny if one of the masks these hoodlums are wearing just happen to be a burqa.

I'm disturbed like that.

Would be funny tho, hoodlums running around like that lol, doesnt look too comfy to run around in
 
Except if your government is bankrupt and can not pay your pension. I prefer to provide for myself and retire at 50;)


BTW, did you miss the part where the french are rioting?

Seems money grows on trees over there. Also that's not rioting that's celebrating hey grayston.

Oh we're already a socialist utopia. Living Madiba's dream......
 
Seems money grows on trees over there. Also that's not rioting that's celebrating hey grayston.

Oh we're already a socialist utopia. Living Madiba's dream......

Almost, we just need the government to take over our responsibility to look after ourselves. We need government run our health insurance and pension schemes. Hell we can sit at home and the government will look after us;)
 
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Except if your government is bankrupt and can not pay your pension. I prefer to provide for myself and retire at 50;)


BTW, did you miss the part where the french are rioting?

Lucky for you, dude. I doubt I'll be able to retire at 50 though, despite contributing to my own pension. Some people have it easy, eh?

I know the French are rioting. It's French culture - they go on strike 3 days a week. They're bitching because they either have to work longer or pay more taxes, and they don't want to do either. Of course, they could also try dying earlier to reduce the load on the financial system, but wouldn't you know it, with all that free quality healthcare they've got going for them, the damn frogs just keep living longer and longer!

I think they're being bloody stupid, but on the other hand, they just want to protect their way of life. Which is also a noble cause, I believe.
 
Lucky for you, dude. I doubt I'll be able to retire at 50 though, despite contributing to my own pension. Some people have it easy, eh?

Clearly you do something wrong. Do you know there is other ways than a pension to provide for a retirement?

You seem to be somebody who will be happy for the Government to look after you, good luck with that dude:whistle:
 
Clearly you do something wrong. Do you know there is other ways than a pension to provide for a retirement?

You seem to be somebody who will be happy for the Government to look after you, good luck with that dude:whistle:

Yes, I buy property and rent it out as well. But I still doubt I'd be able to retire at 50 unless I invent a mega-successful internet startup or something. Dreams are all very well, but it's important that they be founded in reality.

The reality is that things go up and down, and making oodles of money involves risk. It would be nice to know that there is a safety net, so that if everything goes pear-shaped, at least I won't be out on my ear.

Because I don't know that, I also contribute to my own pension. What with that, the mortgages, and normal day to day expenses, I'm afraid I just don't have the financial clout to invest mad amounts of cash in wild ventures which may possibly lead to me being able to retire at 50. :)

But you go ahead if that's what you want to do. You have that freedom!
 
Yes, I buy property and rent it out as well. But I still doubt I'd be able to retire at 50 unless I invent a mega-successful internet startup or something. Dreams are all very well, but it's important that they be founded in reality.

The reality is that things go up and down, and making oodles of money involves risk. It would be nice to know that there is a safety net, so that if everything goes pear-shaped, at least I won't be out on my ear.

Because I don't know that, I also contribute to my own pension. What with that, the mortgages, and normal day to day expenses, I'm afraid I just don't have the financial clout to invest mad amounts of cash in wild ventures which may possibly lead to me being able to retire at 50. :)

But you go ahead if that's what you want to do. You have that freedom!

Already done, dude;)

I hope the government is not going to disappoint you.
 
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