FTTH Telkom Lines

stroebs said:
I think the idea of DJ's posts is to indicate that you shouldn't actually rent from Telkom because they tie you into lengthy and unnecessary contracts. Getting your line through CrystalWeb or ISPAfrika will actually be way cheaper than getting it through Telkom.

My advice: do a side-by-side comparison of the multiple ISPs that offer this already, which suits your data habits.
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So I am not compelled to rent the line from Telkom even if they installed it in the estate?
 
Web Africa seems the most attractive at this stage with 100mpbs + 500GB Daytime + 1TB nightime data @ R1700 which is what we currently pay at the moment.

Dont know if anyone can point to something else when line is provided by Telkom ?
 
Thanks, that is the answer I was looking for.

I am not obligated to use Telkom.
 
Im moving to an estate. I ordered my fibre and data from WA 4 weeks ago. I still haven't heard from Telkom tech (who would setup everything). I've seen them in the estate in the last couple of days, but there there on direct business. WA seem to be dragging their feet with responses and have not chased their Telkom contact to process the order...

I'm quickly running out of patience. I move in 2 weeks. I don't want to give WA an ultimatum because to be honest the 500GB+1000GB data deal is a good deal and better than any of the other rubbish deals that telkom have.

Seriously TELKOM, what am i suppose to do with 200GB on a 100mbps line. If 4K netflix uses upto 7GB an hour that does not leave me with much data to do anything else. Also, 5 users are going to desimate 200GB in very short time.
 
MickeyD said:
It would depend on the deal signed by your Body Corporate.
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Does it? Currently you rent an ADSL directly from your ISP (if you want.) Don't Telkom/Openserve install fibre on the same principle? They install and you either rent from them or from the ISP. There is no agreement with the owners (represented by their body corporate/HOA) like in fibrehoods.
 
Skerminkel said:
Does it? Currently you rent an ADSL directly from your ISP (if you want.) Don't Telkom/Openserve install fibre on the same principle? They install and you either rent from them or from the ISP. There is no agreement with the owners (represented by their body corporate/HOA) like in fibrehoods.
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If they do a custom, closed access model, no ISP can offer services there. If it's an open access model, it will operate over IPC and be bloody expensive, but ISPs can offer services to you...
 
DJ... said:
If they do a custom, closed access model, no ISP can offer services there. If it's an open access model, it will operate over IPC and be bloody expensive, but ISPs can offer services to you...
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Isn't the whole raison d'être of Openserve to be open access?
 
Skerminkel said:
Isn't the whole raison d'être of Openserve to be open access?
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To the best of my knowledge, yes. That doesn't preclude Telkom ISP as a completely separate entity from embarking on its own FTTH projects independent of Openserve...
 
DJ... said:
To the best of my knowledge, yes. That doesn't preclude Telkom ISP as a completely separate entity from embarking on its own FTTH projects independent of Openserve...
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Interesting, thanks.

MickeyD said:
Nothing stops an ISP like CW from locking in a gated complex using an OpenServe backbone.
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OK, noob question, but how do you define "backbone"? If the Openserve fibre comes all the way to my modem, is it still the backbone?
 
MickeyD said:
Nothing stops an ISP like CW from locking in a gated complex using an OpenServe backbone.
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Well the inherent nature of Openserve's business model stops this. If it was another fibre carrier then that's another story.

When you say "Telkom" has installed fibre somewhere, it's not actually Telkom themselves. It's their Wholesale division, Openserve.

Any ISP who purchases IPC bandwidth from Openserve can be used on Openserve's IPC products. I'm not entirely sure about the fibre line aspect of this as it works very differently to ADSL and is a very manual process I believe.
 
stroebs said:
Well the inherent nature of Openserve's business model stops this. If it was another fibre carrier then that's another story.

When you say "Telkom" has installed fibre somewhere, it's not actually Telkom themselves. It's their Wholesale division, Openserve.

Any ISP who purchases IPC bandwidth from Openserve can be used on Openserve's IPC products. I'm not entirely sure about the fibre line aspect of this as it works very differently to ADSL and is a very manual process I believe.
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This has changed...

@DJ... can clarify.
 
MickeyD said:
This has changed...

@DJ... can clarify.
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I've not seen any possible products that allow for exclusivity nor heard of them. We can purchase carriage over the Openserve network, or buy individual links, but there is no "we'll build your last mile" product...
 
DJ... said:
I've not seen any possible products that allow for exclusivity nor heard of them. We can purchase carriage over the Openserve network, or buy individual links, but there is no "we'll build your last mile" product...
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Yet?

But nothing stops you from building the distribution infrastructure within the complex itself and then linking it to a OS node either just inside or outside the complex, does it?
 
MickeyD said:
Yet?

But nothing stops you from building the distribution infrastructure within the complex itself and then linking it to a OS node either just inside or outside the complex, does it?
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Of course not, and that's already underway, but then where do we need Openserve in this? Nowhere at all is the answer...
 
MickeyD said:
In remote areas where nobody else's willing to go? :p
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So they accept the government money, and are handed Infraco on a plate, and we must still cover the last mile builds to remote areas, why?

Government has this all arse about face. Some of us have awesome models for remote areas - Telkom is going to wing it on a high cost-base looking for subsidies. If government want to hand it to a single player they've historically protected, that's fine, but then they shouldn't expect ISPs to go in and even consider plans to build to these areas. Why double the infrastructure build against a subsidised player? Why double-up at all?

Again, Openserve doesn't have an FTTH product for ISPs. It has an FTTH product for Telkom, and will manage the IPC and line data revenue on their behalf - two costs that are either halved or don't exist at all on other providers or on one's own access builds. So really, unless Openserve come to the party with a product for ISPs to leverage, their value as a Telkom-owned entity diminishes daily, at least to ISPs on current costings and products ranges. Now Openserve as a truly independent company with zero ties to Telkom? Well, that's another ball-game altogether and they could be the big leader in this space with suitable products for ALL ISPs...
 
DJ... said:
So they accept the government money, and are handed Infraco on a plate, and we must still cover the last mile builds to remote areas, why?

Government has this all arse about face. Some of us have awesome models for remote areas - Telkom is going to wing it on a high cost-base looking for subsidies. If government want to hand it to a single player they've historically protected, that's fine, but then they shouldn't expect ISPs to go in and even consider plans to build to these areas. Why double the infrastructure build against a subsidised player? Why double-up at all?

Again, Openserve doesn't have an FTTH product for ISPs. It has an FTTH product for Telkom, and will manage the IPC and line data revenue on their behalf - two costs that are either halved or don't exist at all on other providers or on one's own access builds. So really, unless Openserve come to the party with a product for ISPs to leverage, their value as a Telkom-owned entity diminishes daily, at least to ISPs on current costings and products ranges. Now Openserve as a truly independent company with zero ties to Telkom? Well, that's another ball-game altogether and they could be the big leader in this space with suitable products for ALL ISPs...
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Just had a good chat with the guys on support. Thanks for this help. Seems like it would be better to get the line from RSAAfrika likes then data packages from you guys. Was wondering about uncapped packages by no luck, makes sense I guess with a near possible 28 Tb's on a 100mbps line per month if constant capping it out. Im hoping that Telkom now kick in with speed to the installation at Aspen Hills.
 
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