Fuel consumption

Progenix Oj101 said:
It's not the Citi, it's the Sentra with town driving. The Citi is likely much higher as it's my go-kart. I can actually check...
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Bliksem, are you sure you aren't lugging around a pallet of bricks in the boot or something? Maybe some bodies, perlemoen, sinkers or something?
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
It's not the Citi, it's the Sentra with town driving. The Citi is likely much higher as it's my go-kart. I can actually check...
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The Citi is lighter than I thought. 371km since full tank (50L) and it's close to the bottom of reserve, so that's around 13.5L/100km.

It's not running at the moment as it's in the middle of a suspension upgrade and rebuild (Bilstein shocks, DRD control arm bushes, etc) as well as a brake upgrade (using the master cylinder and booster from the Mk2 GTI, along with Ferodo discs and pads). It should be done this weekend, and then it's nearly ready for the new engine and gearbox.

The last thing which I'm still 50/50 about is having PHAT Steelies widen the wheels a bit. The main concern is it MUST still look stock (I installed and then removed Jeep-style LED headlights because it ruined the look), and I'm not sure there's room for much widening without a larger offset.
 
PhireSide said:
With the latest fuel price increases, has anyone changed their driving style/habits?

I am stretching my fuel as far as it can go by delaying trips for stuff that is not urgent, but still driving more or less the same as I was. R28.10 per litre of 50ppm does sting, though, but I am still averaging around 7L/100km with the Duster.
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That R28 just became R34 from Wednesday :(
 
Gtx Gaming said:
That R28 just became R34 from Wednesday :(
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Yeah, fortunately I only go through a tank once every two or so months but it hurts everything since our economy is so dependent on road transport.
 
PhireSide said:
Yeah, fortunately I only go through a tank once every two or so months but it hurts everything since our economy is so dependent on road transport.
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Indeed I am waiting courier guy email come though any minute about price increases
 
PhireSide said:
The diesel price is unregulated in SA so there are no government-enforced prices in effect
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By that do you mean the Petrol price is artificially being kept lower than it should be?
 
airborne said:
By that do you mean the Petrol price is artificially being kept lower than it should be?
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In an ideal world one would think lower prices would prevail (healthy competition and all that) but who knows.

There is probably some degree of collusion going on at some outlets? IDK, I remember years ago diesel and petrol prices used to be neck in neck (usually 5% or so within each other) but I have no idea what is going on nowadays and why there is a bigger price disparity between the products at the pumps.
 
PhireSide said:
In an ideal world one would think lower prices would prevail (healthy competition and all that) but who knows.

There is probably some degree of collusion going on at some outlets? IDK, I remember years ago diesel and petrol prices used to be neck in neck (usually 5% or so within each other) but I have no idea what is going on nowadays and why there is a bigger price disparity between the products at the pumps.
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Isn't it because there is higher demand for diesel? Economies essentially run on diesel because it is used extensively in heavy industry and farming. Locally there are other factors, such us being reliant on trucked goods in light of the collapse of rail. Also, years of loadshedding leading to Eskom burning through it.

I also understand that diesel is has a more complex refinement process, and when there are global constraints on supply along with high demand, this leads to further price shocks.
 
PhireSide said:
In an ideal world one would think lower prices would prevail (healthy competition and all that) but who knows.

There is probably some degree of collusion going on at some outlets? IDK, I remember years ago diesel and petrol prices used to be neck in neck (usually 5% or so within each other) but I have no idea what is going on nowadays and why there is a bigger price disparity between the products at the pumps.
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Some of it is down to emissions restrictions getting tighter and tighter and tighter, especially for diesel, refining costs are simply more to get 50ppm versus 500ppm diesel. And then you have the 10ppm stuff and lower in Europe for instance.
 
thestaggy said:
Isn't it because there is higher demand for diesel? Economies essentially run on diesel because it is used extensively in heavy industry and farming. Locally there are other factors, such us being reliant on trucked goods in light of the collapse of rail. Also, years of loadshedding leading to Eskom burning through it.

I also understand that diesel is has a more complex refinement process, and when there are global constraints on supply along with high demand, this leads to further price shocks.
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It would be interesting to do a deep dive into this, how much fuel oil is consumed to make a litre of petrol vs diesel and the respective consumption of our country.

And yeah, then you add in the Eskom thing as well, and the collapse of our railways.
 
Neuk_ said:
Some of it is down to emissions restrictions getting tighter and tighter and tighter, especially for diesel, refining costs are simply more to get 50ppm versus 500ppm diesel. And then you have the 10ppm stuff and lower in Europe for instance.
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Fair enough, I didn't think about that. I know in some areas 5ppm is a thing already.

Guess we can thank #dieselgate for that :ROFL:
 
PhireSide said:
With the latest fuel price increases, has anyone changed their driving style/habits?
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Slightly

The tank below can be titled "70% happy thoughts, 30% unleaded"
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2017 VW Tiguan 1.4 TSI. While I waited for my car to be serviced.
 
PhireSide said:
In an ideal world one would think lower prices would prevail (healthy competition and all that) but who knows.

There is probably some degree of collusion going on at some outlets? IDK, I remember years ago diesel and petrol prices used to be neck in neck (usually 5% or so within each other) but I have no idea what is going on nowadays and why there is a bigger price disparity between the products at the pumps.
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That's what I remember as well.
I wonder if there is also a large price disparity between the 2 in other markets?
 
Seems it’s is a global phenomenon due to diesel needing extra refining and often being subject to extra fuel taxes.
But South Africa is near the top when it comes to how large the difference is.

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