chiskop
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PS i was talking about gnome the poster/person
We know, but it is like a red flag to us linux-bulle.
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We know, but it is like a red flag to us linux-bulle.
1st thanks that you can be civil and make a valid point unlike some
As chiskop said, I have no problem helping out if you want to get Matlab going. There is a Linux (and OS X) version with a GUI installer. It'll even run on FreeBSD with Linux emulation but I'm guessing granma won't be running that just yet
.P.S. Have a look at Scilab and FreeMat:
http://www.scilab.org/
http://freemat.sourceforge.net/
Lets not go into credibility here. You're a physics guy and an ubber programmer who can't differentiate between an API and a programming language. So where credibility goes. And I don't have to do anything for you, the world doesn't revolve around you.
If you don't want me posting here, don't read the thread 
Absolute rubbish! The sub $300 PC's that you get at best buy and the like don't come with an operating system yet these very people who buy these request windows.
There goes that attitude again that says people use windows because they don't know better or don't have a choice. Listen you're not a genius because you use Linux...
We are not here debating what it best for you and what you care about.
Either way this is the general attitude of a Linux user and it is exactly why with you as its ambassadors its going to be a hard and painful journey.
Good luck with your campaign... You have found enlightenment in your discovery of Linux. May your blessings be plentiful.
chiskop
Executive Member
Tone it down.
I have never, in south africa, seen either a best buy or a computer sold without an OS. If you know if such a place please let me know - I'd like to support them. I'm not suggesting that people don't know better - just that there are obstacles to overcome once they've bought their new computer with an OS pre-installed: download iso or get copy of linux somewhere and install. I'm suggesting that inertia keeps people on windows when there are many alternatives. Also, I'm not suggesting that linux, or anything else, is the end all and be all of OSes or that it is suitable for everyone. I do believe that linux is a more efficient and cheaper option (although you've already paid for windows when you get your computer home) for many people.
I've never claimed to be a genius*, or that there is any link between choice of OS and intelligence.
You're constantly bringing directX and gaming into the argument - I would guess that for most users that is irrelevant. Sure, there're a lot of gamers who need that, but most users - my parents, my work colleagues, me - don't know/care about that. We use computers to browse, write documents, send emails etc.
You'll note that most of my posts in this thread and other OS threads end with the caveat "Use what works for you".
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Moederloos
Honorary Master
I agree with Chiskop. And he does normally make a point of highlighting that "it works for me".
I could not care any less for DirectX too, games bore me. And the occasional ones I do play - I play on a console.
Linux does everything I need it to do, and so much better than Windows that I am constantly berating myself for putting up with that obscene OS for so long.
But, that is *me*.
I could not care any less for DirectX too, games bore me. And the occasional ones I do play - I play on a console.
Linux does everything I need it to do, and so much better than Windows that I am constantly berating myself for putting up with that obscene OS for so long.
But, that is *me*.
You're very wrong. I urge you please Gnome, you're seriously reaching and its quite shocking what you would come up with. Cheapness has nothing to do with it. Blu-Ray is hideously expensive and Sony went with it instead of DVD. The PS3 uses it's much touted Cell CPU which is also very expensive and their online service is free for users, which costs them money. Please I urge you once more, do not take chances. The important thing with consoles is install base, because developers pay a fee to develop for your title, sales of games directly affect your bottom line. That's why the companies are willing ot make a loss on hardware, because it is subsidized by licensing fees.
I work in the industry and you're reaching. I suggest we get back to the issue at hand.
No I'm not you just don't know it, Blu-ray was pioneered by Sony and blu-ray had every indication of not selling so putting it in the PS3 was a good choice, it allows them to sell a console and blu-ray drives all in one. Sony was pushing blu-ray hardest, they stand to gain a lot if Blu-ray becomes the de-facto standard for HD content.
As for the Cell CPU, whatever you want to believe it or not, the lowest bidder usually wins, the XBox 360 uses a IBM cpu specifically because IBM allows them to own the IP, go and check the design blog, it's all there. Now in Sony's case they might not own all the IP to cell but they do own a significant amount which could actually pay off since IBM plan on using them in their Blade servers. If they opted for Intel they would own nothing and have nothing to show after the console is long dead except that Intel made a buck off of them.
You seem to be unable to look past your own nose, you might *work* in the industry but you have no idea how economics work, yes they sell at a loss initially because of licensing but they also know that it will become cheaper to build the console as technology evolves, with the XBox MS lost a lot of money while they were still using the x86, they wanted to avoid that situation the second time round. If you think they will sell at a loss the entire life of the console you are even more naive than I thought. In the end with cost becoming less and less, their initial loss will be well balanced out.
In Sony's case they own some of the IP to cell so even if they sell at a loss initially that loss can be made up just by cell IP alone, nevermind licensing, but selling the console at a loss for the entire life of it's use, now that is reaching!
I'll post the XBox design blog when I can find it again, then maybe your *industry experienced* eyes will open to what goes into the design of any modern day product in a big corporation that actually plan on making a profit.
chiskop
Executive Member
Ou grote
Honorary Master
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I've met people who actually prefer to tinker with the software/OS and find Apple too easy. As odd as that sounds, it's true. The one button mouse just flummoxed them
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I use a 7 button mouse on a Mac...
You post from the Xbox Design blog, hehehe that's cool.
Nope, you're wrong. Phillips pioneered Blu-ray technology not Sony. Sony was and still remains its biggest supporter and advocate.
hmm... I'd like you to think about what you typed above a little further. Do you know why Intel couldn't let Microsoft own the IP for the CPU in the original Xbox?
If its not obvious to you, if Microsoft was allowed to own that IP then Microsoft has in essence several hundreds of milions of R&D done by Intel on a desktop x86 core in house. Microsoft could easily then start making CPUs contracting charter, Fairchild, UMC and the like which would not be good for Intel. IBM would let Microsoft own the IP for the PowerPC in the Xbox, because PowerPC use in Microsoft's core business is not that prevalent. In case you didn't know IBM has since left the desktop semi conductor manufacturing business so even if Microsoft were to start producing PowerPC chips for some obscure reason it would not affect their business.
Well it is their part anyway, I'm not sure how this is related to graphics synthesizer chips in the consoles...
Everybody knows that and its obvious. As processes get better you get more parts per wafer. 300mm wafers that were used when 90nm process was introduced produced fewer chips than an equivalent 65nm process on the same wafer. So you get more chips for the same space, hence the chips become cheaper... This is common knowledge so I'm not sure what it is you're highlighting here.
Microsoft went into Xbox development first to lay down the ground work in terms of market penetration, and getting to grips with working within a closed box environment. If you will the entire project was an exercise in making the name "XBOX" synonymous with gaming, much like Sony's hugely successful "Playstation" name. The money lost was forseen already and it had nothing to do with the x86 chip from Intel. If you did't know it was NVIDIA's NV2A that was costing them allot and subsequently NVIDIA and Microsoft had a fall out because of this very chip and it's unit pricing.
I don't believe I ever stated that anywhere in this thread. In fact there's another thread in the gaming section where I say explicitly that consoles only start generating money several years after release. This is common knowledge by the way once again however its good that you re-state it in case there was someone who didn't know this already.
I can't wait
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Gnome how about you or I start another thread where you can put fourth your postulations about API,s consoles and gaming and we shall debate them freely...
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Linux Zealot! how dare you say anything at all ever bad about Windows. Windows is perfect! Linux sucks because people dont know how to use it! etc etc etc
jk
Skeptik
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There's no need for you to add any other comments, 'coz they are all pre-answered aboveLinux Zealot! how dare you say anything at all ever bad about Windows. Windows is perfect! Linux sucks because people dont know how to use it! etc etc etc
[If only the Linux zealots were as tolerant as the Windows users ]Linux Zealot! how dare you say anything at all ever bad about Windows. Windows is perfect! Linux sucks because people dont know how to use it! etc etc etc
jk
I have never used Linux in my LIFE! BUT I KNOW THAT IT SUX, LOL!
LINUX =
ROFL! WINDOWS RULES! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! ALSO, APROPOS OF NOTHING, I HAVE JUST SHAT MYSELF!/windows fanboy
There's no need for you to add any other comments, 'coz they are all pre-answered above
So you do have a sense of humour
.Lets not go into credibility here. You're a physics guy and an ubber programmer who can't differentiate between an API and a programming language. So where credibility goes. And I don't have to do anything for you, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Eh, you got a slight inferiority complex going there? Try and keep track of whose statements you're twisting
.I have never used Linux in my LIFE! BUT I KNOW THAT IT SUX, LOL!
LINUX =
/windows fanboy
Let's not get back to the Linux vs Windows argument, (Linux users will know who rules, as do I since my move from M$ to LiNuX in 1969), but don't say a Mercedes in uncomfortable if you've never sat in one.
ah ok, thought so
Bit hard to tell when someone is joking (or being sarcastic) on a forum