George Floyd death

Status
Not open for further replies.

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
43,057
Shot: "Looters broke into a Soho Rolex store during rioting and stole $2.4 million worth of watches, police sources said Monday"

Chaser: "But the store’s spokesman said “no watches of any kind were stolen, as there weren’t any on display in the store. There were simply windows broken and some vitrines smashed.”
 

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
Oh look, Emjay lying again. True to form, eh?

Oh weird, ignoring evidence showing shootings don't correlate with crime rates again.
You are trying to justify what is happening here.

Blacks commit more violent crime. You are the one ignoring the evidence.

Let's do a little math. Pure maths.


1591217425858.png

Population figures are from 2017 pulled from Wikipedia. Demographics are as follows: 73% white. 13% black.

1 in 77 838 whites commit homicide.
1 in 12 783 black commit homicide.

Blacks commit homicide at six times the rates of whites.

You are against racial profiling, but literally advocate for the profiling of victims vs shooters when it's the police doing the shooting. We need more data. Not less.
 

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
Thing is, they know this. They deliberately chose not to escalate when it was right wing protesters, even when they literally shut down a State legislature, the seat of democrat rule.

These protests they continually and deliberately escalate.

The strong right-wing lean of police forces generally plays a role here.
And you are purposefully obfuscating the fact that these protests did not escalate into complete mayhem where people have been beat, countless businesses ransacked, indiscriminate shooting into crowds and innocent bystanders murdered.

You are a bad person for not being able to call this out for what it is.
 

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
Did you read his other tweets about how cops who assault people act with impunity, how if the police don't like what he does as a Councilmember they deliberately take longer to respond in his ward to emergencies etc.?
Does not change the fact they are trying to abolish the police and implement their own form of policing. Believe it or not, I do want this to happen.
 

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
43,057
You are trying to justify what is happening here.
Keep lying, Em. I haven't once justified any looting or rioting. I'd ask you to substantiate the claim, but you won't.

Emjay said:
You are against racial profiling, but literally advocate for the profiling of victims vs shooters when it's the police doing the shooting. We need more data. Not less.
That's not what racial profiling is, good grief.

And you are purposefully obfuscating the fact that these protests did not escalate into complete mayhem where people have been beat, countless businesses ransacked, indiscriminate shooting into crowds and innocent bystanders murdered.

You are a bad person for not being able to call this out for what it is.
Yes, the cops didn't escalate those protests by repeatedly attacking protesters, assaulting bystanders and journalists. Odd that, ain't it? They even let them take over a State legislature with zero pushback.

Countless examples of cops deliberately, and unprovoked, doing that in these protests.

And no, the looting and rioting is reprehensible, counter-productive and anyone involved should be prosecuted.
 

TysonRoux

Executive Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2012
Messages
8,651

For nearly 200 years, St. John's Episcopal Church has welcomed presidents from the White House across the street.

But where other presidents came to pray, Donald Trump came to pose.

Protected by a phalanx of heavily armed officers, Trump walked across Lafayette Square to the church after nearby protesters were gassed and forcibly moved.


President Trump and first lady Melania Trump visit Saint John Paul II National Shrine onTuesday in Washington.


For several minutes, he stood in front of St. John's holding the Scriptures aloft, brandishing a Bible like a salesman in a bad infommercial.
It was another "Oh my God, is this really happening?" moment in an administration that has provided a plethora of them.


President Donald Trump holds a Bible as he stands outside St. John's Church across Lafayette Park from the White House on Monday.

To many Christians, even conservatives ones, Monday's stunt was surreal, even sacrilegious. "Blasphemy in real time," one bishop tweeted.

Blasphemous or not, the moment perfectly captured Trump's approach to religion. He relies more on images than substance, prefers demonstrations of power over piety, and readily uses religious symbols to fight a winner-take-all culture war.

He has taken credit for people saying "Merry Christmas," a nonsensical claim that is nonetheless hyped as a victory in the "War against Christmas."

He has turned the National Prayer Breakfast into a gripe fest, settling scores with political rivals and mocking entertainers.

He has insulted religious leaders who dare challenge him, including the Pope.
These brouhahas aren't distractions from Trump's larger message to conservative Christians. They are the message. He is the strongman willing to fight for them, a modern Constantine the Great.

And he expects conservative Christians to fight for him.

The President and his political advisers have grown concerned about his standing slipping with religious conservatives on his handling of the coronavirus, people familiar with the matter say.
And that, as much as anything, may have prompted the photo op at St. John's.

Some evangelicals say they like a tough-guy president

This President has shown little, if any, interest in personal piety, famously saying that he has never asked God for forgiveness, a cornerstone of Christianity. He rarely attends church outside of Christmas and Easter.

But to white Christians who felt their influence dip during the Obama administration, Trump has been a godsend.
One praised the way he held the Bible "like a boss" in Lafayette Square.
"I will never forget seeing [Trump] slowly & in-total-command walk ... across Lafayette Square to St. John's Church defying those who aim to derail our national healing by spreading fear, hate & anarchy," tweeted Johnnie Moore, the president of the Congress of Christian Leaders and a member of Trump's evangelical advisory committee.
 

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
The top minds of mybb are going to come at you, no way the FBI are as good as the MyBB detectives.
Like this is top of the minds stuff:

Not only are white supremacists involved in the violence and property damage at the protests, but it’s clear that they are working multiple strategies to leverage the chaos into what they hope will be a democracy-destroying race and civil war.
From this article that keeps getting quoted:


Or:

Boogaloo Bois


This "Boogaloo Boi" is wait for it, wait, ANTI-GOVERNMENT.

Other evidence are some tweets of Proud Boys tweeting they are going to join the riots. Yet we have posted FACES of far leftists who have been spotted at these riots.

Gaslighting and lies everywhere.
 
Last edited:

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
Keep lying, Em. I haven't once justified any looting or rioting. I'd ask you to substantiate the claim, but you won't.

That's not what racial profiling is, good grief.

Yes, the cops didn't escalate those protests by repeatedly attacking protesters, assaulting bystanders and journalists. Odd that, ain't it? They even let them take over a State legislature with zero pushback.

Countless examples of cops deliberately, and unprovoked, doing that in these protests.

And no, the looting and rioting is reprehensible, counter-productive and anyone involved should be prosecuted.
There is the denunciation. Only when confronted. At least you can do a bit better than your Democratic leaders.

Weird. I saw many, many people looting and committing acts of violence when there were no cops around. Tell me. The dead cop, was he provoking the rioters by defending property? Guess he deserved it, huh?

Take over a State Legislature? Did they harm anyone in doing so? Did they set building alight with people in them on their way to the Legislature? What about beating up people in the streets defending their property? Please, show us some footage.

Stop with your endless whataboutisims.
 
Last edited:

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
43,057
There is the denunciation. Only when confronted. At least you can do a bit better than your Democratic leaders.

Weird. I saw many, many people looting and committing acts of violence when there were no cops around. Tell me. The dead cop, was he provoking the rioters by defending property? Guess he deserved it, huh?

Take over a State Legislature? Did they harm anyone in doing so? Did they set building alight buildings with people in them on their way to the Legislature? What about beating up people in the streets defending their property? Please, show us some footage.

Stop with your endless whataboutisims.
I called them scumbags on Tuesday already, liar. But I see you don't even try to substantiate your claim, predictably.

And hilarious that you whine about whataboutism immediately after injecting your own whataboutisms. Classic Emjay.
 

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
I called them scumbags on Tuesday already, liar. But I see you don't even try to substantiate your claim, predictably.

And hilarious that you whine about whataboutism immediately after injecting your own whataboutisms. Classic Emjay.
Comparing your example to the current situation is not a whataboutisim.

And talking about not substantiating your claims, you are not either. In the eyes of the law, agitation is not a valid defense. Stop trying to place blame for violence on others.

Dirty cops should be fired. Violent protesters should be dispersed and then thrown into jail. Not bailed out by celebrities either.
 
Last edited:

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
43,057
For anyone interested, Reuters did an excellent investigation into the invented legal doctrine of 'qualified immunity' and how it basically allows cops to act with impunity.

 

Emjay

Executive Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
9,459
Let's take out the unions. Seems like they are the ones keeping these dirty cops around.



This seems like a good place to start. And should be an easy compromise, hey @OrbitalDawn?

Limiting (if not eliminating) qualified immunity would certainly help (though there's a reasonable debate whether this is more properly done through legislative reform than through the courts). On the other hand, the effects of eliminating qualified immunity may be limited if police departments indemnify their officers. Should qualified immunity be limited, you can be sure such protection will immediately rise to the top of the agenda for every police union in the country.

If one wants to tackle the structural obstacles to holding rogue police officers accountable, it seems to me one has to address the power of police unions. As a Reuters report from a few years back documented, police union contracts in major cities routinely include provisions that erase disciplinary records and obstruct meaningful discipline (let alone prosecution) of police officers who abuse their authority.
 

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
43,057
Random paramilitary dudes around. No badges, no insignia, no uniform, no law enforcement branch indication.



I'm sure all those folks who were apoplectic about Jade Helm will be around shortly.

Oh, and an expansion of another law enforcement agency's surveillance powers. Folks concerned about FISA abuse to be along shortly.

The Drug Enforcement Administration has been granted sweeping new authority to “conduct covert surveillance” and collect intelligence on people participating in protests over the police killing of George Floyd, according to a two-page memorandum obtained by BuzzFeed News.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top