George Floyd death

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jack_spratt said:
It's going to be interesting when the police officer who is charged with George's killing gets acquitted in his trial.

I say acquitted, because they charged him with 1st degree murder, this will be impossible to prove. As any lawyer will tell you.

Also, kneeling on someone's neck is standard procedure in the Minneapolis police precinct. He was doing what he was trained to do. And, if someone can speak it means they can breathe.

Interesting times ahead.
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Oh my. Well, let me broaden your intelligence a bit :) Just because you can breathe does not mean your brain is getting oxygen if something (and in this case someone) restricts that flow. Oxygen gets to your brain by blood...
If blood does not flow to your brain what would happen??


Edit: Question, has anyone here ever been chocked out?

You can breathe fine, it just restricts blood flow, does kinda feel like you can't breathe, you pass out after a while, and you could easily end up dead if that hold goes on forever


A chokehold, choke, stranglehold or, in Judo, shime-waza is a general term for a grappling hold that critically reduces or prevents either air or blood from passing through the neck of an opponent. The restriction may be of one or both and depends on the hold used and the reaction of the victim

Go to your closest Judo training center and ask for a choke hold that will restrict the blood flow and feel that feeling for yourself
 
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jack_spratt said:
It's going to be interesting when the police officer who is charged with George's killing gets acquitted in his trial.

I say acquitted, because they charged him with 1st degree murder, this will be impossible to prove. As any lawyer will tell you.

Also, kneeling on someone's neck is standard procedure in the Minneapolis police precinct. He was doing what he was trained to do. And, if someone can speak it means they can breathe.

Interesting times ahead.
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I read it was 2nd degree murder?

With a 1st degree murder charge, the prosecutors would definitely lose. Undoubtedly.

However, 2nd degree murder still involves the prosecutors proving that the knee to the neck was meant to kill George Floyd.
 
irBosOtter said:
Oh my. Well, let me broaden your intelligence a bit :) Just because you can breathe does not mean your brain is getting oxygen if something (and in this case someone) restricts that flow. Oxygen gets to your brain by blood...
If blood does not flow to your brain what would happen??


Edit: Question, has anyone here ever been chocked out?

You can breathe fine, it just restricts blood flow, does kinda feel like you can't breathe, you pass out after a while, and you could easily end up dead if that hold goes on forever


A chokehold, choke, stranglehold or, in Judo, shime-waza is a general term for a grappling hold that critically reduces or prevents either air or blood from passing through the neck of an opponent. The restriction may be of one or both and depends on the hold used and the reaction of the victim

Go to your closest Judo training center and ask for a choke hold that will restrict the blood flow and feel that feeling for yourself
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Good response, and I guess that you're aware the troll wasn't really after a sensible discussion on the subject.
 
jack_spratt said:
It's going to be interesting when the police officer who is charged with George's killing gets acquitted in his trial.

I say acquitted, because they charged him with 1st degree murder, this will be impossible to prove. As any lawyer will tell you.

Also, kneeling on someone's neck is standard procedure in the Minneapolis police precinct. He was doing what he was trained to do. And, if someone can speak it means they can breathe.

Interesting times ahead.
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Citation?
 
jack_spratt said:
It's going to be interesting when the police officer who is charged with George's killing gets acquitted in his trial.

I say acquitted, because they charged him with 1st degree murder, this will be impossible to prove. As any lawyer will tell you.

Also, kneeling on someone's neck is standard procedure in the Minneapolis police precinct. He was doing what he was trained to do. And, if someone can speak it means they can breathe.

Interesting times ahead.
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Police Departments: educate police officers that "If you can speak, you can breathe" is a myth.
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First Demonstration: Take a normal breath in and then a normal breath out. Then, after exhaling, force out as much air as you possibly can. Even after doing this, you will find you are able to speak. I am able to speak for about 5 - 10 seconds afterwards, in short, wheezing, gaspy words, but I can speak. If you don't inhale at this point, you will begin to suffocate, but you will still be capable of speech even as you are dying. IMPORTANT EDIT: And that's not to say a person will only be able to speak for a few seconds, they could speak for minutes while being unable to draw a breath in. Keep in mind, you are purposely forcing out the Expiratory Reserve Volume during this demonstration, but a suspect/inmate might not be. They may be on the ground, unable to breathe in, but entirely capable of speech for minutes as they slowly die.
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Chris_the_Brit said:
I read it was 2nd degree murder?

With a 1st degree murder charge, the prosecutors would definitely lose. Undoubtedly.

However, 2nd degree murder still involves the prosecutors proving that the knee to the neck was meant to kill George Floyd.
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personally I think 2nd degree Murder is going to be a push, because I don't think it was intentional. Chauvin is a **** but to prove that he used a "currently legal" restraint technique that he was trained to use as intentional murder is a bit of a stretch, IMO third degree murder is what he should be charged with, and the other cop who had his knee in his back should also be on trial for third degree murder as anyone of those two could have caused the telling damage.

The cops just need to outlaw the use of chokeholds and knee subdues. If multiple police officers cannot subdue one suspect (handcuffed or not) in a non lethal manner then the unarmed training and physical fitness training for police officers need to be looked at.
 
ISP cash cow said:
personally I think 2nd degree Murder is going to be a push, because I don't think it was intentional. Chauvin is a **** but to prove that he used a "currently legal" restraint technique that he was trained to use as intentional murder is a bit of a stretch, IMO third degree murder is what he should be charged with, and the other cop who had his knee in his back should also be on trial for third degree murder as anyone of those two could have caused the telling damage.

The cops just need to outlaw the use of chokeholds and knee subdues. If multiple police officers cannot subdue one suspect (handcuffed or not) in a non lethal manner then the unarmed training and physical fitness training for police officers need to be looked at.
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Yeah if you actually think about it, if what you say is true and that is a legal technique taught to police to subdue, then it is going to be very hard to convict him of anything. I mean they are taught to use that technique and that is what he done. He was an utter ass for using it for so long on a subdued suspect the way he did but was it 2nd degree?

Now this most recent shooting on the other hand is way different. You had an unarmed man running away with a taser (a non-lethal weapon). That officer had no right to shoot that man. he will be in deep kak. And if what I heard is true, he even tried to pick up spent casings to maybe cover up how far away the man was. Deliberately tampering with a scene of a shooting.
 
^ what you're suggesting is manslaughter?

There's lots of different factors at play. They'll come out in court. Either way he's going to jail imo, just depends on for how long.
 
theratman said:
^ what you're suggesting is manslaughter?

There's lots of different factors at play. They'll come out in court. Either way he's going to jail imo, just depends on for how long.
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yeah it is manslaughter but in Minnesota (where this occurred) they name it third degree murder

Third-degree murder - Wikipedia

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The Murder of George Floyd: A Nation Responds

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