George Floyd death

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EADC said:
it has alot to do with the justice system that doesn't work the way you laid out.

bit also there is alot of evidence of peaceful protestors being pepper sprayed by the police.

and yes their are plenty of people taking advantage of the protest to loot and damage property.

The point is if you going to treat everyone like a looter even when they not and provoke them that nice justice system doesn't work especially when it's corrupt.
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If they're in that proximity where police are opening fire they're in the wrong place. How many braincells does it take to not engage with lunatics and obey police instruction. And don't tell me that police started pepper spraying random protesters for the hell of it. It's a fluid situation and the radical left is taking advantage of that in order to push an agenda that there is a authoritarian problem. Which there isn't.
 
Emjay said:
You think Trump should stand in front of a riotous crowd which injured 50 Secret Service officers to listen to them? Really, stop for one minute and just think about the nonsense that you are typing.
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That is exactly what Trump himself thinks a sitting President should have done, are you saying he gets except from this? Because he is the current sitting President?

The flip flopping is amazing
 
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Mob Violence: Psychological Myths, Facts, Solutions

ABC News consultant Dr. Michael Welner, one of America's top forensic psychiatrists, looks at the psychology and myths of mob violence/looting, why it spreads and how to prevent it.
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When looting and mob violence events are reported as "people vs. government," such a message only feeds a public sense of identification with looters and their own willingness to participate. At the same time, this message engenders insecurity and a sense that government is losing control among the law abiding and further traumatizes a community.
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Are you suggesting that mob violence and looting can be prevented?
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Absolutely. It is instructive to see that mob violence does not occur everywhere, even in societies that have access to weapons and in which mass demonstration is permitted. Mass assembly is not the problem.

Fundamental to eliminating mob violence is to first identify it as criminality, rather than a social phenomenon. That responsibility rests upon elected leaders, community leaders, teachers, parents, mass media and police.

A brutal police force is not the solution. Nor is mere arrest. For perpetrators recognize that legal consequences of looting and destruction of property are limited, especially amid chaos. But there are other societal tools available to eliminate this behavior.

The media should emphasize the vulnerability and pathos of those victimized by random mob violence and looting. From the 89-year-old shopowner whose premises are destroyed to the friendly bystander who is pummeled into a fractured skull and irreversible brain damage, vivid examples of the senseless byproducts of mob violence and looting nurture a community's resolve to prevent them. The mass media can be particularly effective in massing empathy for these unfortunate victims of circumstance and in mobilizing public outrage toward those who unravel the fabric of daily order.
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Media and celebrities were encouraging this. They are being bailed out for crying out loud. I also do not see corporate media, especially on the left, being very concerned with those officers killed, or the people who have had their lives destroyed. Like with everything the past few years is that it does not fit in with the narrative. Take the Democratic leaders for example. They rebuke Trump, but say nothing about the violence or rioting. How about they lead THEIR OWN STATES?

Why is shame such an effective deterrent?

Rioters and looters make such choices only because the group affords them anonymity, and the scope of destruction makes their actions banal. Most people who loot and riot would never do so unless they were one of an anonymous crowd. Their mayhem remains in fantasy. They act in a group because they know they won't be exposed.

Rioters and looters have no respect for society or other faceless victims. But they are selfish enough to be sensitive to shaming themselves or their loved ones.
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I wonder how you engage with people who have no respect for society? You don't. You lock them up if they break the law.
 
TysonRoux said:
Watch the Orange Dotard shake the bible, and then correct his hold to match other dictators.

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You're like one of those illuminati conspiracy theorists. XD

"Oh no trump held a bible like Hitler! He must have some hidden schemes of trying to enable white supremacy!"

Give me a break.
 
Moosedrool said:
If they're in that proximity where police are opening fire they're in the wrong place. How many braincells does it take to not engage with lunatics and obey police instruction. And don't tell me that police started pepper spraying random protesters for the hell of it. It's a fluid situation and the radical left is taking advantage of that in order to push an agenda that there is a authoritarian problem. Which there isn't.
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Stop this left right bs it's got nothing to do with that **** if you can't have a discussion without such bs it is pointless.

Yes there have been instances where the police pepper sprayed protestors for no reason. There have also been instances where the police engaged in civil discussion with protestors and nothing happened because they did the right thing.

So just because they say police does not absolve them. that is issue police who think they are above it all and get protected.
 
buka001 said:
So you want them to shoot?

What bullets will they use that are able to not hurt peaceful protestors, but hurt the criminals?

What should they do, that does not harm peaceful protestors?
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And your solution is to let the mobs run rampant.

I am not advocating people be shot. You keep doing this thing where you twist everyone's argument. Riot police use riot control methodologies. Water. Tear gas. Rubber bullets. Any reasonable person (i.e. a person without criminal intent) would leave the area if it turns into a riot.
 
Vorastra said:
I'm loving all these white homogeneous Western countries doing their little pretend game.
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I got no issue with peaceful protests.
But social distancing.

Have to wonder about the black panther salute though.
 
EADC said:
Stop this left right bs it's got nothing to do with that **** if you can't have a discussion without such bs it is pointless.

Yes there have been instances where the police pepper sprayed protestors for no reason. There have also been instances where the police engaged in civil discussion with protestors and nothing happened because they did the right thing.

So just because they say police does not absolve them. that is issue police who think they are above it all and get protected.
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The left right bs you're talking about is exactly the problem. Those rioters are against good law enforcement. They don't give a rats ass about George Floyd. Considering the anarchist behaviour I'll say the footage of seeing a white cop murdering a black man just enraged them enough to try and overpower the fundamental statutes which they feel is oppressive. They feel powerful when breaking the system, it liberates them.

There are bad cops and I agree there isn't enough done about it. But going around burning and looting stuff does not help get those bad cops behind bars.

In fact I would actually say in a broad consensus of the inner workings of law enforcement it might just justify trigger happy police officers actions.
 
Emjay said:
And your solution is to let the mobs run rampant.

I am not advocating people be shot. You keep doing this thing where you twist everyone's argument. Riot police use riot control methodologies. Water. Tear gas. Rubber bullets. Any reasonable person (i.e. a person without criminal intent) would leave the area if it turns into a riot.
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Why do they need the military for that?


No, that is not my solution. My solution is to maintain police presence, use deterrents as you suggest to mitigate where situations become dire such as burning buildings down or attacks on people, but fundamentally, the leaders need to go out and meet the community leaders, church leaders, youth leaders and listen and show some empathy. This is missing. Haven't seen it or heard it from any of the leaders

At the moment all they see is Trump saying go dominate them.

People on the ground only hear that Trump means they must also be dominated, because as I am saying how is the police going to dominate criminals mixed in between everyone.

Civil rights activists were blasted by water canons and had dogs set upon them. They did not disperse. So how are you going to identify a peaceful, but stubborn protestor who refuses to disperse from a water canon versus some criminal?
 
Pegasus said:
Still nothing huh?

I know you spent time looking. So now you want to start the insults.
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You asked for the quote, I gave you the quote and then you ignored and ran away.

What does he mean by dominate, who must be dominated and how is this to be done?
 
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