George Floyd death

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rambo919 said:
The difference is current SA many cops are more like murican cops in the prohibition era.... basically gangsters with badges.

Murica is moving towards a more stazi system.
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Well, at least it's not a Stasi system. That would be bad.
 
pinball wizard said:
Buddy, the terrible joke is your anger makes your post (and argument) unintelligible.
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I'm not actually angry though...... This is what I actually believe.... I'm sorry if my failure to keep quiet offends you but.... so be it.
 
rambo919 said:
Fair point, I suppose I do to a degree hold more natural law and such more than legislation made in favour of imperialism....

And yes SA too technically became a empire in it's forced multi-national unification.
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The overtones of your accelerationsist type phrasings are the least bit surprising.

The constitution of the USA is not some imperialist piece of legislation, but quiet the opposite. Your historical ignorance in the favour of supporting the Great Southern Myth appears to forget the most fundamental aspect at the heart of this.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the USA were written in response to a war against imperialism.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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This is why slavery was at such odds with the fundamental principle on which the USA was built and why Lincoln chose to defend the principles defined in the Declaration of Independence, which if you want to play the Natural Law angle, also strengthen Lincoln's hand.
 
buka001 said:
The overtones of your accelerationsist type phrasings are the least bit surprising.
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I'm no revolutionary, I'm just not a coward.

The constitution of the USA is not some imperialist piece of legislation, but quiet the opposite. Your historical ignorance in the favour of supporting the Great Southern Myth appears to forget the most fundamental aspect at the heart of this.
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You are seeing intentions I never had or said, I never actually supported the South here :ROFL:

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the USA were written in response to a war against imperialism.
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No it was written in response to British Imperialism.... murica from the very start was an empire that collected peoples with or without their agreement. They were rank hypocrites from the very start.


This is why slavery was at such odds with the fundamental principle on which the USA was built and why Lincoln chose to defend the principles defined in the Declaration of Independence.
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That's the propaganda yes.
 
rambo919 said:
Here it gets complicated, he disliked slavery and did not particularly like blacks. He famously said he would have kept slavery if he could.
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Buka will ignore this , just like blacks owning slaves etc.
Leftists are so racist that they take non racial events and make them racial with no evidence
Craig said:
Yes, just as is the case in Sa with corrupt cops, I dislike them even more than the common criminal type. They are supposed to serve and protect, not do whatever the hell they want.



As per @scudsucker 's post you can't even see it. Non are as blind as those who don't want to see.



Precisely.




Once again, that can be seen as defense of the cop. He didn't know the guys history, and the oke was relatively peaceful, yet he pulled him out of the car to rough him up. He should've treated the guy as innocent until proven guilty.
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So you are saying you see facts as a defense ..... this is interesting to me as you might as well call them hate facts if you don't want to consider them impartially.
And you still didn't find me defending the cop , scroll through my posts you will see I have condemned him.
We also don't know if he was "relatively peaceful" , we do know he sat down (resisted) and something appeared to be dropped by him , then we know the other cop said they were trying to get him into the cruiser for ten mins (resisted) , then we know he died , had drugs in his system (could explain the resistance) and had pre-existing conditions.
 
@buka001

If you bothered to actually ask I could have told you I don't morally support the South for anything they did other than shoot fort sumpter into leaving after asking nicely did not do the trick.

But noooooo you rant and rave about slavery as if it actually mattered to what I said because all you have is one-sided propaganda. You cannot believe anyone can evaluate something without picking a side because you yourself are incapable of real objectivity it seems.
 
Jabulani22 said:
Buka will ignore this , just like blacks owning slaves etc.
Leftists are so racist that they take non racial events and make them racial with no evidence , if y

So you are saying you see facts as a defense ..... this is interesting to me as you might as well call them hate facts if you don't want to consider them impartially.
And you still didn't find me defending the cop , scroll through my posts you will see I have condemned him.
We also don't know if he was "relatively peaceful" , we do know he sat down (resisted) and something appeared to be dropped by him , then we know the other cop said they were trying to get him into the cruiser for ten mins (resisted) , then we know he died , had drugs in his system (could explain the resistance) and had pre-existing conditions.
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If he resisted before putting him into the car, why take him out again? The fact that you are this insistent on the cops innocents says much more than you realize.
 
Craig said:
If he resisted before putting him into the car, why take him out again? The fact that you are this insistent on the cops innocents says much more than you realize.
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Theres always loosing your temper and doing something stupid, cops are human too not robots.

That does not mean he should not be punished for the results of what he did. All that is for the courts though.
 
Craig said:
If he resisted before putting him into the car, why take him out again? The fact that you are this insistent on the cops innocents says much more than you realize.
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You appear to have a reading issue.
I have already condemned the cop and Floyd , both were at fault .
Your insistence on not understanding is saying a lot.
 
you say this

Jabulani22 said:
And you still didn't find me defending the cop , scroll through my posts you will see I have condemned him.
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and then go on to say this
Jabulani22 said:
We also don't know if he was "relatively peaceful" , we do know he sat down (resisted) and something appeared to be dropped by him , then we know the other cop said they were trying to get him into the cruiser for ten mins (resisted) , then we know he died , had drugs in his system (could explain the resistance) and had pre-existing conditions.
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Sounds like a defense to me
 
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