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OrbitalDawn said:
That's at least a 26% swing.

And there are other polls:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272042192572473344

Anyway, yeah - I don't think "defund/abolish the police" will ever be a popular message. Just like "defund/abolish public schools/hospitals" won't ever be. Hasn't stopped Republicans from doing it, though.

Hell, they don't even necessarily have to 'defund' the police, just re-direct funding to proper channels.

Why does the L.A. school police have a grenade launcher and armored vehicle, for example?

Silly enough, a lot of the 'defund/abolish' talk in reality just ends up meaning restructure/reform/redefine, which often is very popular. But I guess it doesn't make for a very catchy protest anthem.

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: Most Americans, including Republicans, support sweeping Democratic police reform proposals - Reuters/Ipsos poll

Most Americans, including a majority of President Donald Trump’s Republican Party, support sweeping law enforcement reforms such as a ban on chokeholds and racial profiling after the latest death of an African American while in police custody, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released...
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The irony is that with McConnell and Trump refusing to do a proper phase 4 stimulus bill, States and Local Government are going to get hammered and the police will be defunded anyway.
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The devil's in the details ...
Yet the Reuters/Ipsos poll found that support varies based on how it is defined.

For example, 39% of respondents supported proposals “to completely dismantle police departments and give more financial support to address homelessness, mental health, and domestic violence.”

But 76% said they supported moving “some money currently going to police budgets into better officer training, local programs for homelessness, mental health assistance, and domestic violence.
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TysonRoux said:
Gone are the days of this getting swept under the carpet.

Buffalo officials ask state to probe firing of Black officer who stopped white colleague's chokehold
"Now with so much attention being on the present and what some officers have done negatively, it is very difficult for some people to move forward if we have not repaired the past," the city council president said.

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The city council in Buffalo, New York, voted this week to call on State Attorney General Letitia James to investigate the 2008 firing of Black officer Cariol Horne, who stopped a white colleague from choking a suspect while making an arrest.

The incident occurred in 2006, and Horne was fired two years later because the Buffalo Police Department claimed Horne had put her fellow officers at risk, including the white officer, Gregory Kwiatkowski, whom she stopped after he put the suspect in a chokehold.

Buffalo is now asking the state to look into the reasons why Horne was fired.


"Now with so much attention being on the present and what some officers have done negatively, it is very difficult for some people to move forward if we have not repaired the past," Buffalo Common Council President Darius Pridgen told local NBC News affiliate WGRZ.

The New York Attorney General’s office declined to comment on Buffalo’s request. The Buffalo Police Department and Horne could not be immediately reached to address the case.
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I recalled this story of a police officer who de-escalated and didn't shoot someone, and was then summarily fired for it.

features.propublica.org

What Happened When A White Cop Decided Not to Shoot a Black Man

A shocking story of police and lethal force. Just not the one you might expect.
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cerebus said:
Oh well if Stephen Molyneux got someone to say it wasn't murder then who am I to argue with such redoubtable authority?
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Pity your bias creates a feedback loop. Actually some interesting points are made about police training in Minneapolis.
"Choke hold - deadly force
Neck restraint - non-deadly force option"
 
Sollie said:
Pity your bias creates a feedback loop. Actually some interesting points are made about police training in Minneapolis.
"Choke hold - deadly force
Neck restraint - non-deadly force option"
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Yeah I do have a bias against openly white supremacist YouTube influencers
 
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OVER THE LINE: Police shootings in Georgia

Explore reports and cases from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s year-long examination of police shootings in Georgia.
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Nearly half the 184 Georgians shot and killed by police since 2010 were unarmed or shot in the back, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution/Channel 2 Action News investigation has found.

The AJC/Channel 2 investigation also found black Georgians killed by police were more likely to be shot in the back or unarmed than whites. About three out of five blacks were unarmed or shot in the back, compared to about two out of five whites. Seventy-eight percent of the officers who discharged their weapons were white.

Overall, police fatally shot black citizens at a rate twice that of whites based on population figures, the investigation found.
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Chris_the_Brit said:
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Macron says France won't remove statues, erase history

French President Emmanuel Macron said on Sunday fighting racism should not lead to a "hateful" re-writing of history following worldwide protests over the killing of George Floyd, a black man, by a police officer in the United States.
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Not the biggest fan of Macron but he's got it right here.
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He really is trying hard with this whole strongman look he's been trying to do for the last year or two.
 
Vorastra said:
He really is trying hard with this whole strongman look he's been trying to do for the last year or two.
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I wish I could hear such unequivocal statements from Boris who seems to be caught in the headlights! I would expect a more robust defence of the Churchill statue at the very least as that is Boris' hero. Indeed, it is often said Boris imagines himself as a 21st century Churchill.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
investigations.ajc.com

OVER THE LINE: Police shootings in Georgia

Explore reports and cases from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s year-long examination of police shootings in Georgia.
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Here's my problem with this BS, and I hate it when people do this.
Philip Stinson, a nationally recognized expert on police shootings and misconduct from Bowling Green State University, who reviewed the AJC/Channel 2 findings.
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First off, they front load with their argument from authority and taints the whole perception. Don't question the article, we have an expert over here. Cool. I'm sure everything he says is knowledgeable.

“I can think of some very, very limited circumstances where it would be legally appropriate, but it’s rare circumstances … You can’t just shoot somebody that’s running away from you.”
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Right off the bat this is bullcarp.

According to the Supreme Court, a policeman is allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back if they perceive them as a threat to the public or themselves. In the case of this recent shooting, unless you're blind, the policeman was reasonable in his fear considering he got punched multiple times, showing the suspect as violent, and had his tazer stolen from him.

From VICE:
Right now, 42 states have a total of 58 different statutes, according to Seth Stoughton, a former police officer and assistant professor at the University of South Carolina’s School of Law. The majority of the laws align with the Supreme Court’s standard, but some states give police even more leeway.
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Florida’s criminal code, for example, has what’s called a “fleeing felon” law, which give cops the legal authority to use deadly force if they need to stop someone who’s committed a felony from escaping arrest.

California’s deadly force statute is similar to Florida’s but requires that a resistant or fleeing suspect have been charged with a felony — instead of just having committed one — before the officer can use deadly force.

Also in California — as well as Idaho, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Washington — officers can use deadly force when “necessary” or “reasonable” to overcome “actual resistance,” the meaning of which varies among the states.
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Overall, police fatally shot black citizens at a rate twice that of whites based on population figures, the investigation found.
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Guess who's unarmed and also gets shot? A person that tries to grab a policeman's weapon, any weapon. You attempt to grab their gun, you are going to be shot. You grab their tazer, you are going to be shot.
Unarmed doesn't suddenly mean "not dangerous".

This is an unarmed man being shot.

On that note, you have literally anything in your hand that can use to hurt a policeman...you are going to be shot if you don't put it down when commanded to. Again, this is not Hollywood. If you are running from a policeman and you have a gun, and you fire that gun back at them, they are going to shoot you in the back. If you have a brick in your hand, they may taze you first. Here's the thing, you know tazers? They're really really garbage and don't work that often. So once that's used, then fails, and you still have a brick in your hand, guess what comes out?

I also love that the article uses Maurice Hampton as an example of an unjust shooting. You mean the guy that actively fought with a policeman...and then stole his baton and tried to run...? Yeah guess what? We don't live in a TV show. You're getting shot. This is a man who has been shown to now be violent. You have to stop this violent man. Hugs and kisses aren't going to do it.

Oh but policemen just look for a reason to shoot a random guy in the back, right? A routine traffic stop turns into a shooting. Must be because the cop was just looking for fun.

So why are non-white people more likely to be shot and killed in Georgia. Let's ask the GBI. Yes, GBI not FBI.
Could it be because non-whites are more likely to commit crime compared to white people?

Crime: (ratio of non-white to white, not adjusted for race demographics in Georgia)

Murder: (3.65 : 1)
Rape: (1.16 : 1)
Robbery: (4.58 : 1)
Aggravated Assault: (1.61 : 1)
Burglary: (1.17 : 1)
Larceny: (1.14 : 1)
Motor Vehicle Theft: (1.139 : 1)
Arson: (1.09 : 1)

So now, if we adjust for these statistics, I think you'll start to realise that white people are the ones more likely to be shot and killed considering they commit less crime, especially when adjusted for demographic ratios of the state which I do not have the energy to do at the moment. You can though. Non-white to white ratio is 0.653 : 1. I suspect your likelihood ratios are about to shoot up for non-whites which means more "interacting" with police.

If activists want less black people to be shot, maybe try telling black people to commit less crime and stop putting themselves in a position to get shot.
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
I wish I could hear such unequivocal statements from Boris who seems to be caught in the headlights! I would expect a more robust defence of the Churchill statue at the very least as that is Boris' hero. Indeed, it is often said Boris imagines himself as a 21st century Churchill.
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Seems rather mealy-mouthed after he got the 'rona.
 
This is what happens when brain-poisoned boomers get fed this conspiracy theory garbage about antifa invasions.

www.9news.com

Roofing company workers forced onto ground, held at gunpoint by man who thought they were antifa

Felony charges are possible in wake of the incident in a Loveland neighborhood. A victim was a CSU football player.
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A Loveland man faces felony charges after allegedly concluding that two men going door-to-door in his neighborhood were members of the protest movement known as Antifa – and then ordering them to the ground and holding them at gunpoint.

But the men weren’t troublemakers – they work for a local roofing company and were wearing blue polo shirts with the firm’s name on them, shorts, tennis shoes and white surgical-style masks
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www.columbusalive.com

'We were terrified and confused': The curious case of the colorful school bus

A group of hippie circus performers on a converted bus named Buttercup were briefly detained by a SWAT team at a...
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A group of hippie circus performers on a converted bus named Buttercup were briefly detained by a SWAT team at a Downtown protest. The next day, Columbus police stoked fears over rioting in social media posts about the bus that went viral, eventually reaching Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.
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