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thestaggy said:
Found this gem on Reddit.

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I'm confused. Is that meant to be a gotcha for the far-left or the far-right?
Because they do. Men do commit more crimes. IIRC black women are less likely to commit a crime even when compared to white women in the US.

Men commit almost all of the crime...? Who disputes this?
 
Vorastra said:
I'm confused. Is that meant to be a gotcha for the far-left or the far-right?
Because they do. Men do commit more crimes. IIRC black women are less likely to commit a crime even when compared to white women in the US.

Men commit almost all of the crime...? Who disputes this?
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Gotcha for the far-left.

Far-right is the ''blacks commit more crimes so they are more inclined to be shot'' trope. Far-left then argues that it is racism.

Nobody disputes that men commit more crimes and are thus make up more fatal shootings. And so the gotcha.
 
abzo said:
If it wasn’t Floyd, it would have been the next victim. Floyd was just the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. Not sure why people keep harping on about Floyd personally as if everything that’s happening is for him.
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Here I would agree. The whole mess in the USA was just waiting for a figurehead. But I suspect the next part you won't agree with.

It's not about black/racism, it's toxic culture. In turn that toxic culture are the heroes people look up to, the replacement "gods". That culture requires rebelling against authority. It includes trying to defend all types of criminality. Combine that with the disintegration of family structure and you have the perfect time bomb.

Simply consider things like sagging: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion)
It embraces disrespect for authority, the authority that exists for the social contract in civilized society. That disrespects swings to extremism on all sides, left and right. Here is the other side of that same coin:
https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/unmasked-man-who-shouted-in-cops-face-gives-his-side-of-story/ -spot the idiot - I'm sure you'll agree?
Yet that is the exact same thing the black women shouting at the cops who was just looking at her as if she's an idiot, where she ending it with a hysterical false attack scream, clearly having a meltdown.

Everything is about "racism", even where really idiocy is at the heart of what we see.
 
Sollie said:
Here I would agree. The whole mess in the USA was just waiting for a figurehead. But I suspect the next part you won't agree with.

It's not about black/racism, it's toxic culture. In turn that toxic culture are the heroes people look up to, the replacement "gods". That culture requires rebelling against authority. It includes trying to defend all types of criminality. Combine that with the disintegration of family structure and you have the perfect time bomb.

Simply consider things like sagging: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion)
It embraces disrespect for authority, the authority that exists for the social contract in civilized society. That disrespects swings to extremism on all sides, left and right. Here is the other side of that same coin:
https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/unmasked-man-who-shouted-in-cops-face-gives-his-side-of-story/ -spot the idiot - I'm sure you'll agree?
Yet that is the exact same thing the black women shouting at the cops who was just looking at her as if she's an idiot, where she ending it with a hysterical false attack scream, clearly having a meltdown.

Everything is about "racism", even where really idiocy is at the heart of what we see.
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It's because these type of people in the US are constantly looking for "the next human rights movement of our time". Division is good for politics and the media.
 
The American Spring

Juneteenth observed across the country with new interest, urgency
The holiday is in the spotlight as the nation faces another racial reckoning.

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Juneteenth observed across the country with new interest, urgency

The holiday is in the spotlight as the nation faces another racial reckoning.
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Millions of Americans on Friday observed Juneteenth, a holiday to mark the end of slavery in the United States that has taken on a new urgency following the national uproar over the killings of George Floyd and other African Americans by police.

And for many marking the day, it was the first time.


Juneteenth — deliberately downplayed for generations by a U.S. educational system unwilling to focus on that heinous history and uninterested in the accomplishments of Black Americans — is suddenly in the spotlight as the nation faces another racial reckoning.

Multiple bills have been introduced to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.

And because of concerns about the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, many events are being held online, like the Juneteenth Music Festival in Denver or the Juneteenth Virtual Community Day in Hartford, Connecticut.

In Florida, where the state broke its record for single-day coronavirus cases with 3,822 new infections Friday, "socially distanced" picnics were planned in Tampa, St. Petersburg and other hard hit locations.

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Valerie Saddler, 65, Bobby Eaton, 66 and Vanessa Saddler, 65, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, celebrate Juneteenth


Vanessa Saddler, 65, who is also from Tulsa, said "this is sacred, holy ground."

As for Trump, "he is a racist and not welcome," Saddler said.
 
Dirty cops that coerced witnesses

Dateline NBC episode on Friday features two Tulsa brothers wrongfully convicted for murders

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Dateline NBC episode on Friday features two Tulsa brothers wrongfully convicted for murders

Two Tulsa brothers fighting for more than 20 years to prove their innocence will be the focus of a special Dateline NBC episode airing Friday.
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Malcolm Scott (left) and Corey Atchison celebrate with their mother, Ruthella Scott, at the Tulsa County jail in 2019 after Atchison was freed from prison by District Judge Sharon Holmes, who declared him innocent of a 1991 murder for which he served 28 years in prison. 


Two Tulsa brothers fighting for more than 20 years to prove their innocence will be the focus of a special Dateline NBC episode airing Friday at 9 p.m.
For the first time on national television, brothers Malcolm Scott and Corey Atchison will discuss their struggles with the justice system, as well as their pact to help one another get out of prison. Both were wrongfully convicted for separate murders.


The one-hour broadcast is called The Long Road to Freedom and is part of NBC News’ network-wide series "Inequality in America."
The episode also features interviews with the lawyers and investigators who worked on the brothers’ cases, including Eric Cullen, who was named a Tulsan of the Year in 2019.
Former Tulsa District Attorney Tim Harris also defends his prosecution of Atchison during the show.

Dateline's show Long Road to Freedom also explores the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, policing in Black neighborhoods, controversies surrounding the criminal justice system and wrongful convictions.



Murder
• Judging from exonerations, innocent black people are about seven times more likely to be convicted of murder than innocent white people. A major cause of the high number of black murder exonerations is the high homicide rate in the black community—a tragedy that kills many African Americans and sends many others to prison. Innocent defendants who are falsely convicted and exonerated do not contribute to this high homicide rate. They—like the families of victims who are killed—are deeply harmed by murders committed by others.

• African-American prisoners who are convicted of murder are about 50% more likely to be innocent than other convicted murderers. Part of that disparity is tied to the race of the victim. African Americans imprisoned for murder are more likely to be innocent if they were convicted of killing white victims. Only about 15% of murders by African Americans have white victims, but 31% of innocent African-American murder exonerees were convicted of killing white people.

• The convictions that led to murder exonerations with black defendants were 22% more likely to include misconduct by police officers than those with white defendants. In addition, on average black murder exonerees spent three years longer in prison before release than white murder exonerees, and those sentenced to death spent four years longer.

• Many of the convictions of African-American murder exonerees were affected by a wide range of types of racial discrimination, from unconscious bias and institutional discrimination to explicit racism.

• Most wrongful convictions are never discovered. We have no direct measure of the number of all convictions of innocent murder defendants, but our best estimate suggests that they outnumber those we know about many times over. Judging from exonerations, half of those innocent murder defendants are African Americans.

Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States
 
abzo said:
Her name is Adele. She’s kinda famous. You’ve probably heard her music. She’s like Queen, The Beatles and Michael Jackson.

And to stay on topic : https://www.nme.com/news/music/adel...d-racism-is-alive-and-well-everywhere-2680768
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Ah yes, Adele. Kinda famous but not like Queen The Beatles or Michael Jackson.
She looks like a drag queen I know in Johannesburg.

Why stay on topic, thought you were on mybb long enough to know better.


**gave this a little more thought.
Adele is more like Bruno Mars, but without talent and cannot dance
 
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So, what is the solution to the police "problem"? It is clearly evident that the USA needs police. Heck, it's evident in every country on earth because dipshits are always going to break the law. Back to the USA, though, and the current media/BLM narrative is that the police are heavily armed, militant, racist, aggressive, uneducated and trigger-happy. Roaming death squads, if you will.

If we apply the UK solution, the first step is to disarm them. Over here, the police officers who pack heat are effectively our SWAT team - only about 6500 in a population close to 70 million people. Everyone else gets a baton and a taser. Has this made criminals/thugs more receptive to the police and more compliant? Absolutely not. People here treat the police like ****, and have zero respect for them. They're sworn at, spat at, regularly attacked by groups (loads of footage available online of whole gangs of youths attacking police) or by individuals armed with machetes or axes, and they're unable to do anything about it.

The only way you could disarm the police in the US is if you disarm the population first, like the UK did after Dunblane. Of course, you're only disarming honest law-abiding citizens then anyway, not criminals, which is evident in a country like the UK which has banned personal carry but still has a significant amount of gun related crimes. Also, attempting to take away peoples' guns while you still have yours isn't going to go down very well with a lot of Americans (there are over 300 million firearms in circulation - they love their firepower over there).

Next step is to diversify the police force. It needs more people of colour to be able to relate to the various communities being policed, and more women. They regularly advertise diversity programs here in the UK and with great success. Are we ever going to have a significant portion of the Met being black? Of course not, it's not realistic in anyway. Only about 4% of our population is black. So does that make the Met racist? Absolutely not.

Of the 4 police officers at the scene in the George Floyd incident, 50% were non-white. Does America truly have a racist police force? I really don't think so. Badly trained and overworked, definitely. I also agree with the statement earlier that ex-military should be exempt from joining the police. You can't give someone whose only purpose for the last few years has been to kill that type of responsibility. I've seen interviews with veterans who even struggle to integrate back into society because they go into attack mode whenever they see a brown person in the street. They've been trained to see them as the enemy - how could they ever police them?
 
SoldierMan said:
You do know that cops use tasers on themselves in training right? To test the effect. If it is so lethal then why would they do that.

Sure if you have a heart condition, then it might be an issue, but a guy running away from you with a taser (that you fire at friends in training) is not a lethal weapon. There were two cops. Neither of them were incapacitated. Once he had fired the taser that was it. That cop is not going to get off. He shot the guy in the back, twice. He's in for a world of judicial hurt.
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It doesn't help his case that the non-lethal taser was even less lethal as both tasers had been fired, leaving the 'weapon' basically just a yellow piece of plastic.
 
The Voice said:
So, what is the solution to the police "problem"? It is clearly evident that the USA needs police. Heck, it's evident in every country on earth because dipshits are always going to break the law. Back to the USA, though, and the current media/BLM narrative is that the police are heavily armed, militant, racist, aggressive, uneducated and trigger-happy. Roaming death squads, if you will.

If we apply the UK solution, the first step is to disarm them. Over here, the police officers who pack heat are effectively our SWAT team - only about 6500 in a population close to 70 million people. Everyone else gets a baton and a taser. Has this made criminals/thugs more receptive to the police and more compliant? Absolutely not. People here treat the police like ****, and have zero respect for them. They're sworn at, spat at, regularly attacked by groups (loads of footage available online of whole gangs of youths attacking police) or by individuals armed with machetes or axes, and they're unable to do anything about it.

The only way you could disarm the police in the US is if you disarm the population first, like the UK did after Dunblane. Of course, you're only disarming honest law-abiding citizens then anyway, not criminals, which is evident in a country like the UK which has banned personal carry but still has a significant amount of gun related crimes. Also, attempting to take away peoples' guns while you still have yours isn't going to go down very well with a lot of Americans (there are over 300 million firearms in circulation - they love their firepower over there).

Next step is to diversify the police force. It needs more people of colour to be able to relate to the various communities being policed, and more women. They regularly advertise diversity programs here in the UK and with great success. Are we ever going to have a significant portion of the Met being black? Of course not, it's not realistic in anyway. Only about 4% of our population is black. So does that make the Met racist? Absolutely not.

Of the 4 police officers at the scene in the George Floyd incident, 50% were non-white. Does America truly have a racist police force? I really don't think so. Badly trained and overworked, definitely. I also agree with the statement earlier that ex-military should be exempt from joining the police. You can't give someone whose only purpose for the last few years has been to kill that type of responsibility. I've seen interviews with veterans who even struggle to integrate back into society because they go into attack mode whenever they see a brown person in the street. They've been trained to see them as the enemy - how could they ever police them?
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Give them training. A lot more training. The reason a lot of police default to their weapons is because they either A) are in poor physical shape due to no fitness checks after the initial entry test or B) they are not confident in their hand to hand training.

Im not saying they need to get black belts in BJJ but a few weeks of self-defence would give cops the confidence and ability to handle the average man physically.

IIRC black people are overrepresented nationally in the police force. Diversity is not an issue.
 
Kornhole said:
A white ape? Ban this movie View attachment 863081
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The Rock also appears in the image that you're using in your racist post.

Black Lives Matter: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson impassioned speech

Actor and wrestler Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson is speaking out against lack of leadership in the US in a new video supporting Black Lives Matter.


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The Rock just gave a more presidential speech than Trump

Days after President Donald Trump delivered a speech pledging to be America's "law and order president" and emphasizing the need for police to "dominate" the streets against protesters, actor and former professional wrestler Dwayne Johnson gave an address of his own about both the man in the...
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The Rock just gave a more presidential speech than Trump

Days after President Donald Trump delivered a speech pledging to be America's "law and order president" and emphasizing the need for police to "dominate" the streets against protesters, actor and former professional wrestler Dwayne Johnson gave an address of his own about both the man in the White House and the current climate in the country.

Posted to Instagram Wednesday night, Johnson excoriates Trump's response while also offering up some of the empathy that has been wanting in the current President's response.

Here's part of what he said (although you really should watch the whole eight-ish minutes):
"Where are you? Where is our leader at this time? At this time when our country is down on its knees begging, pleading, hurt, angry, frustrated, in pain, begging and pleading with its arms out just wanting to be heard. Begging and pleading and praying for change. Where are you? Where is our compassionate leader who is going to step up to our country who is down on its knees and extend a hand and say 'You stand up. Stand up with me. Stand up with me, because I've got you. I've got you.
I've got you, I hear you, I'm listening to you and you have my word that I'm going to do everything in my power, till my dying day, to my last breath to do everything I can to create the change that's needed, to normalize equality because black lives matter.' Where are you?"
 
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