Getting a diginet line to SAIX

[fixx]

Hi Everyone

I need to get a 128k diginet line installed directly into SAIX using their IP's etc (with local only traffic if thats possible).

But I don't know where to begin, I called SAIX on their 086 number but then a fax line answers. :wtf: (086000 7249)

Who should I contact to get this going?

Thanks

 

[ramar]

Well Diginet lines are Telkom, so best to speak to them. Most good business ISPs should also be able to assist you in the process too.

 

[Gnome]

Diginet doesn't have local only option. You pay R5K-R20k per month for a reason. And that reason is that it is a dedicated, guaranteed 128k line.

They are always "directly" to SAIX tho, as I understand it. If you want to connect "directly" to someone else you would use a MPLS for a virtual circuit or just use plain old VPN (although MPLS has guarantees where VPN does not).

 

[ponder]

Diginet doesn't have local only option. You pay R5K-R20k per month for a reason. And that reason is that it is a dedicated, guaranteed 128k line.

They are always "directly" to SAIX tho, as I understand it. If you want to connect "directly" to someone else you would use a MPLS for a virtual circuit or just use plain old VPN (although MPLS has guarantees where VPN does not).

You can get local only bandwidth from SAIX.

https://secureapp.telkom.co.za/whol.../south-african-internet-exchange-services.jsp

SAIX National Plus: 100 percent of the bandwidth is allocated to the SAIX national (South African) network. This service includes access to the networks of SAIX's local peering partners.

No. You can have diginet installed between any two endpoints of your choice, it does not have to go to saix. How do you think big businesses connect their WAN infrastructure?


If you don't qualify to buy wholesale bandwidth from them you will be able to do it via another isp.

 

[Gnome]

No. You can have diginet installed between any two endpoints of your choice, it does not have to go to saix. How do you think big businesses connect their WAN infrastructure?

MPLS. I work for one of those big businesses and that is how we do it Physically connecting two endpoints wouldn't be feasable. MPLS is the solution used wordwide and in SA.

Only other option (which we also use) is that we connect directly to a provider with Metro ethernet. Although I don't know the details behind that it will no doubt use MPLS also.

 

[ponder]

MPLS. I work for one of those big businesses and that is how we do it Physically connecting two endpoints wouldn't be feasable. MPLS is the solution used wordwide and in SA.

Only other option (which we also use) is that we connect directly to a provider with Metro ethernet.

You do realise your MPLS (a protocol) still requires leased line services like diginet, martis etc. MPLS is just service running on top of other products.

Maybe read up a bit more.

 

[Gnome]

You do realise your MPLS (a protocol) still requires leased line services like diginet, martis etc. MPLS is just service running on top of other products.

Maybe read up a bit more.

It was implied that it is running on some kind of physical layer. I just don't usually feel the need to spell everything out. You are acting like someone trying to point out a flaw in my undestanding to cover up for your own lack of understanding in how WAN traffic is routed between points.

There is no way they would connect two premises directly to each other, that would be too costly and MPLS is the only way you can have a gauranteed connection between 2 end points. How do you imagine they connect two "big companies"?. They probably have VPN combined with MPLS for security purposes but if they have a fiber running specially between 2 businesses that would be a special case, not the norm.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

Diginet doesn't have local only option. You pay R5K-R20k per month for a reason. And that reason is that it is a dedicated, guaranteed 128k line.

They are always "directly" to SAIX tho, as I understand it. If you want to connect "directly" to someone else you would use a MPLS for a virtual circuit or just use plain old VPN (although MPLS has guarantees where VPN does not).

Maybe look at TiDIS....Telkom Direct Internet Services ? It is a Telkom product that uses a Diginet line but not Point to Point.

 

[TheGuy]

Contact Mweb business they handle our Telkom Leased lines much better to deal with and the prices are good as well.

@Ponder we get separately billed for international connectivity so it should be possible.

 

[ponder]

@Ponder we get separately billed for international connectivity so it should be possible.

That's what I've been trying to say all along.

 

[Gnome]

Contact Mweb business they handle our Telkom Leased lines much better to deal with and the prices are good as well.

@Ponder we get separately billed for international connectivity so it should be possible.

Weird, I've never seen that on our bill, but we have many 2MB diginet lines, so with all the items on the list I must have missed it.

 

[ponder]

Weird, I've never seen that on our bill, but we have many 2MB diginet lines, so with all the items on the list I must have missed it.

It depends on what service you have signed up for so you might never see it as a separate item.

 

[MidnightWizard]

Special Case

There is no way they would connect two premises directly to each other, that would be too costly and MPLS is the only way you can have a gauranteed connection between 2 end points.
How do you imagine they connect two "big companies"?.
They probably have VPN combined with MPLS for security purposes but if they have a fiber running specially between 2 businesses that would be a special case, not the norm.

@ponder

Don't keep us in suspense -- please answer

 

[ponder]

@ponder

Don't keep us in suspense -- please answer

You can order x.25, FR, Diginet, Martis, E1, ATM, SDH circuits terminating in locations of YOUR choice, end of story.
Not everybody out there uses MPLS, many still use dedicated circuits to build a private WAN, end of story.

Diginet doesn't have local only option. You pay R5K-R20k per month for a reason. And that reason is that it is a dedicated, guaranteed 128k line.

They are always "directly" to SAIX tho, as I understand it. If you want to connect "directly" to someone else you would use a MPLS for a virtual circuit or just use plain old VPN (although MPLS has guarantees where VPN does not).

Diginet internet access does have local only option.
They are NOT always "directly" to SAIX.
No. MPLS & VPN are just two of many ways of achieving this.

We are not discussing the merits & benefits of MPLS/VPN vs PTP circuits but the above statements you made which are incorrect.

 

[Gnome]

We are not discussing the merits & benefits of MPLS/VPN vs PTP circuits but the above statements you made which are incorrect.

I really don't want to argue any longer, this will be my last post on this matter.

You live in a world of Telkom products but the fact is that Telkom uses Ethernet on large portions of their network. Those circuits you talk of (in your example of circuits above), most based on ISDN and ATM, need to run over ethernet at some point. And at those points virtual circuits need to be created or encapsulation is required. It is a mess.

That was the reason MPLS was created. So yes, tell yourself that your ISDN or ATM is a dedicated circuit but you'd be kidding yourself. There is no way that Telkom can afford to provide a circuit just for you, from Pretoria to Cape Town for example. It goes on the same network they use for their other products. Only difference is the encapsulate it. MPLS is the best solution because it doesn't care about the underlying network and you can still have gaurantees. With ATM you only have gaurantees as long as you are on ATM. Same with ISDN. So yes Telkom probably try their best to make sure the ATM and ISDN services provide those gauranteed services but once it hits ethernet it isn't ATM anymore, it is ATM encapsulated to run over Ethernet.

 

[ponder]

There is no way that Telkom can afford to provide a circuit just for you, from Pretoria to Cape Town for example. It goes on the same network they use for their other products.

But they do though. The same network lowest common denominator is their SDH transport network over which ALL their traffic goes.

Those technologies are still running as dedicated separate networks ultimately running over SDH. They have NOT been migrated to the MPLS backbone via tunneling or encapsulation like done by some foreign telcos. They are currently being used as access technologies to the MPLS backbone but their traffic is not carried across the MPLS backbone but rather the SDH transport network which even the IP/MPLS backbone uses be it via native SDH or Ethernet over SDH.

 

[MidnightWizard]

Documentation

@Gnome
@ponder

Can any of you guys provide any documentation where we can read about these technologies ?

I know that at one time Telkom had a very nice little publication that explained all their different technologies -- I think long since dead.

You big elephants are churning up the bush and knocking all the trees down :erm: -- the rest of us just want to learn something.

So come on -- lets see the links to the documentation

 

[ponder]

Can any of you guys provide any documentation where we can read about these technologies ?

If you're not in the industry I reckon your best bet is wikipedia/google followed by some more reading on sites like Cisco, Lucent, Siemens etc for a generic overview.

Wrt. Telkom internal stuff there was a powerpoint or pdf document compiled by Thami Msimango a while back giving a brief non-technical overview of the current network layout and possible future direction. I'll try and find it for you.

Edit: http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&so...u8nzDg&usg=AFQjCNEgajUuLjyE2RDAG1n1JlY8VI62VQ
http://google.brand.edgar-online.co...5088249-17592-73432&SessionID=f7aiWWRH7jOd-m7
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&so...nOHsDg&usg=AFQjCNFsjVhkyr4XHf1wvQkVwdjwaaan_w
https://secure1.telkom.co.za/apps_static/ir/pdf/financial/pdf/6-K_10April2007.pdf

 

[MidnightWizard]

Interesting

Edit: http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&so...u8nzDg&usg=AFQjCNEgajUuLjyE2RDAG1n1JlY8VI62VQ
http://google.brand.edgar-online.co...5088249-17592-73432&SessionID=f7aiWWRH7jOd-m7
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&so...nOHsDg&usg=AFQjCNFsjVhkyr4XHf1wvQkVwdjwaaan_w
https://secure1.telkom.co.za/apps_static/ir/pdf/financial/pdf/6-K_10April2007.pdf

Thanks

How does one receive all these Telkom info updates ? -- become a shareholder ? -- ICT "Journalist" ? -- have a corporate account with them ?

WHAT exactly does their media and public liason section do ?

I wonder why we do not have an "official" telkom rep on the boards here ?

Seems Kwaai-Oom has kinda gone off Telkom lately -- or perhaps his "source" has dried up ?

Not sure what is up with Telkom either -- if they put their mind to it they could do quite a lot of good work here.

 

[ErEkTiLe_DySfUnKsHuN]

Seems Kwaai-Oom has kinda gone off Telkom lately -- or perhaps his "source" has dried up ?

Hi MW
I spoke to some of my buddies that still work there. They have been tied up with an Electronic Communications Policy that forbids them to interact on any forum or to discuss any business issues with any form of media without the direct approval of top management. Non-compliance = dismissal.