Getting the Promotion

Pho3nix said:
Just an update on this.
Spoke to my colleagues about my thoughts and got some constructive feedback.

Going to start with HR to find out if there is a metric being used to decide your grading -> manager -> dept head.
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Is your colleague your manager? If not then you are wasting your time as their experience with this is limited to their experience on the matter.

Take you work contract and responsibilities, highlight the things that you do and add the things that are not in the current contract. Take that to the manager and have "the talk".
 
Update on this :

Mid year reviews and I reiterated my unhappiness to my line manager.
This morning one of my old bosses alludes to contract positions being available again at a competitor and asks for my resume.

A little different than the OP but I didn't want to leave JUST because of money.

Thoughts on leaving and re-joining corporate later?
 
Pho3nix said:
Update on this :

Mid year reviews and I reiterated my unhappiness to my line manager.
This morning one of my old bosses alludes to contract positions being available again at a competitor and asks for my resume.

A little different than the OP but I didn't want to leave JUST because of money.

Thoughts on leaving and re-joining corporate later?
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Nothing wrong with it, IMO. Providing the reasons you left aren't still an issue, and if you feel you won't be moving backwards.
 
I've never been one to "ask for a promotion directly", I have however been given promotions through hard work...
However - when i got bored - i made it clear i was bored... and if / when no one listened to me, i started looking elsewhere, and when something better came along i moved along...
1 thing very important - that newer employees forget - is you need to move for more. By that I mean - remember to take into account everything even down to the fact that you get subsidised lunches or free parking. These things add up... And another thing i didnt think of until today... is if you are moving prior to your annual bonus - ask for a Signing bonus :-) Of course - this depends on the urgency of the company that makes you the offer :-)
 
Pho3nix said:
Update on this :

Mid year reviews and I reiterated my unhappiness to my line manager.
This morning one of my old bosses alludes to contract positions being available again at a competitor and asks for my resume.

A little different than the OP but I didn't want to leave JUST because of money.

Thoughts on leaving and re-joining corporate later?
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This shouldn't be the only reason you leave but it should be a huge factor. Most people work because they need the money. If you happen to enjoy your job then that's a bonus and helps a lot. I don't understand why it has become taboo to talk about salary etc with your employer, it's the basis for working for god sake.

If you bring great quality work or new/better skills to the table the company must pay for it. If the company wants overtime, they must pay for it. It is not fair that you are evolving and the company is benefitting more while you get shafted.

When I go for interviews and they pull the "where do you see yourself in x years" I point to the lead developer in the interview and say "in his position or working somewhere else". I do decent work and if I'm not progressing and being compensated for it I leave. Managers etc are complacent in their positions and are too focused on their workload rather than their staff. I've never hid that I want a good salary from anyone and I've jumped around to get it. The result is that I now am basically nearly at my ceiling for salary as a dev after 7 years in software development, the next step is to run my own company to increase my salary further. I could have stayed at one company and waited for promotions or the regular 6-8% increases per year but then I would probably only earn 50% of what I do now.

People say that job hopping is bad as It looks bad on your CV etc and it does if you do it when you're older but for now I have absolutely 0 problems getting a new job because I can add the skills the employers desperately want. If you're any good then companies will start looking for you rather than the other way around. I recently got headhunted and got a contract without having to do any interviews etc and I dictated the salary I wanted and they didn't try any of that R3000 more than you are currently earning bull****.

At the end of the day you need to do what is best for you and if that's moving so that you can have a comfortable salary or better job satisfaction then do it. At a company you are just another employee, for the most part. Good luck!
 
fruitbat said:
I've never been one to "ask for a promotion directly", I have however been given promotions through hard work...
However - when i got bored - i made it clear i was bored... and if / when no one listened to me, i started looking elsewhere, and when something better came along i moved along...
1 thing very important - that newer employees forget - is you need to move for more. By that I mean - remember to take into account everything even down to the fact that you get subsidised lunches or free parking. These things add up... And another thing i didnt think of until today... is if you are moving prior to your annual bonus - ask for a Signing bonus :-) Of course - this depends on the urgency of the company that makes you the offer :-)
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Noted :)
My plan previously was to only leave after bonuses had been given out :D:D.
Luckily I know what my total package is (salary, pension, parking allowance etc), so when I look. I know what to avoid.
^^vampire^^ said:
This shouldn't be the only reason you leave but it should be a huge factor. Most people work because they need the money. If you happen to enjoy your job then that's a bonus and helps a lot. I don't understand why it has become taboo to talk about salary etc with your employer, it's the basis for working for god sake.

If you bring great quality work or new/better skills to the table the company must pay for it. If the company wants overtime, they must pay for it. It is not fair that you are evolving and the company is benefitting more while you get shafted.

When I go for interviews and they pull the "where do you see yourself in x years" I point to the lead developer in the interview and say "in his position or working somewhere else". I do decent work and if I'm not progressing and being compensated for it I leave. Managers etc are complacent in their positions and are too focused on their workload rather than their staff. I've never hid that I want a good salary from anyone and I've jumped around to get it. The result is that I now am basically nearly at my ceiling for salary as a dev after 7 years in software development, the next step is to run my own company to increase my salary further. I could have stayed at one company and waited for promotions or the regular 6-8% increases per year but then I would probably only earn 50% of what I do now.

People say that job hopping is bad as It looks bad on your CV etc and it does if you do it when you're older but for now I have absolutely 0 problems getting a new job because I can add the skills the employers desperately want. If you're any good then companies will start looking for you rather than the other way around. I recently got headhunted and got a contract without having to do any interviews etc and I dictated the salary I wanted and they didn't try any of that R3000 more than you are currently earning bull****.

At the end of the day you need to do what is best for you and if that's moving so that you can have a comfortable salary or better job satisfaction then do it. At a company you are just another employee, for the most part. Good luck!
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Will keep this in mind.
Thanks.
 
^^vampire^^ said:
This shouldn't be the only reason you leave but it should be a huge factor. Most people work because they need the money. If you happen to enjoy your job then that's a bonus and helps a lot. I don't understand why it has become taboo to talk about salary etc with your employer, it's the basis for working for god sake.

If you bring great quality work or new/better skills to the table the company must pay for it. If the company wants overtime, they must pay for it. It is not fair that you are evolving and the company is benefitting more while you get shafted.

When I go for interviews and they pull the "where do you see yourself in x years" I point to the lead developer in the interview and say "in his position or working somewhere else". I do decent work and if I'm not progressing and being compensated for it I leave. Managers etc are complacent in their positions and are too focused on their workload rather than their staff. I've never hid that I want a good salary from anyone and I've jumped around to get it. The result is that I now am basically nearly at my ceiling for salary as a dev after 7 years in software development, the next step is to run my own company to increase my salary further. I could have stayed at one company and waited for promotions or the regular 6-8% increases per year but then I would probably only earn 50% of what I do now.

People say that job hopping is bad as It looks bad on your CV etc and it does if you do it when you're older but for now I have absolutely 0 problems getting a new job because I can add the skills the employers desperately want. If you're any good then companies will start looking for you rather than the other way around. I recently got headhunted and got a contract without having to do any interviews etc and I dictated the salary I wanted and they didn't try any of that R3000 more than you are currently earning bull****.

At the end of the day you need to do what is best for you and if that's moving so that you can have a comfortable salary or better job satisfaction then do it. At a company you are just another employee, for the most part. Good luck!
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Vamp, just out of interest sake...how many times have you moved jobs in 7years? No judging, just asking - I've been at 4 companies in 8years.
 
@OP,

I was exactly in the same position as you are in now. The level of work I was doing was much higher than the level I was on, and when asking for a promotion, I was told I don't have enough experience. Yet, they were happy to hand the responsibility to me.

In the end, I applied elsewhere and got the job at the higher level. Didn't really want to leave, but they weren't willing to make an effort. The end result is that they had to bring in a contractor that costs twice as much as me.

Basically, it is better to move to get what you want.
 
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Cicero said:
Vamp, just out of interest sake...how many times have you moved jobs in 7years? No judging, just asking - I've been at 4 companies in 8years.
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5 Companies in the last 7.5 years. Once sunk financially because of COJ and one was really far (teaches me to join a company that requires highway travel during the world cup). The rest only offered 6-8% yearly increases even after fantastic reviews from my superiors; I can easily get 20-50% increases by making a move. Generally I would agree that job hopping is a bad idea but I have had zero problems getting a job so far and the job I'm moving to next they head hunted me. Going to get a decent salary and would be hard to make another move without sticking around for quite a while so will play the waiting game, possibly start another company.
 
Update on this. Spoke to my managers, manager :erm:

He is aware of my situation and unhappiness.
Said all he can do is push forward his motivation near the financial year and and hope HR approves it.
 
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