Good riddance, E-tolls

Financial Coach said:
Compare Current Etolls VS Feul Levy or any other suggestion
Current User Pay Principal-------------------- | Feul Levy
People that use the road pay toll-------------| Every-one pays for the road even if you don't use the highway
Public Transport is Exempt--------------------| Public Transport also pays for highway
Emergency services are Exempt---------------| Emergency services also pays for highway
Eskom running on diesel No Impact----------| When Eskom burns Diesel, everyone pays feul levy for highway
Takeaway running genny has no impact------| When takeaway runs Genny for load shedding, everyone pays levy
Hospital running Genny has no impact -------| When Hospital runs Genny for load shedding, everyone pays Levy
If you don't use the Highway you don't pay---| If you use Petrol or Diesel for anything, you pay for highway
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WTF is ------| ?
Keep it consistent (-----| and ----- |, just no)
It's Fuel nor Feul.
WTF does Eskom diesel have to do with E-tolls?

I suspect you might benefit from a typing coach...?

/rant over

Disclaimer: The above is not a personal attack, and need to be viewed as constructive criticism.
 
Financial Coach said:
LOL Yes, I remember the 3 (max) lane highway before the expansion for the 2010 World Cup, I use to work in Pretoria and Stay in Roodepoort back then, then you either had the N14 2 lane option or the 3 lane N1 Highway. 15 years ago that was a bloody pain to travel every morning and every evening. I guess most people that complain do not remember that. Then we got more lanes 4 to 5 to 6 lanes depending on which section you travel, but then the people that used the road had to pay for the ease of use. It is like if you want to watch the sport you have to pay DSTV, and if you don't want to pay DSTV then you can't watch the sport. This is the user-pay principle. Now they want to use a fuel levy, which is like everyone in the country has to pay regardless if you have a DSTV dish or TV or not. Mark my words, if they are allowed to change this to a fuel levy, the next thing that will be added will be the SABC tv license to the fuel levy, and so on, and so on. We will quickly get to R100 per liter of Fuel because of not having the option or not to use something.
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But it's not really user pay, it's registered vehicle owner pay.

And there are many sections one can travel on for free, because gantries are a certain distance apart, I can get on a Brakfontein IC and get off at Samrand, or get off at Botha Ave, without legally owing a sent for e-tolls despite using like 7 or 8KM of GFIP highway, so again, not all users paying. So GFIP e-toll implementation not fair anyway and just as bad as your examples.
 
Pitbull said:
So...

I read they are planning on paying back the people who paid their e-toll fees. How do you think that will work? I foresee the ANC looting that allocation bare. How will they know who paid what?
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I just saw the info on EWN about the R6.9billion that will be paid back. LOL. They do not understand what an administrative nightmare this will actually be from a financial point of view. More so for companies than private individuals. Every company that claimed Etoll as an expense in the last 10 years, will have to correct their financials reported to SARS, if they claimed the VAT on tolls, they will have to amend those VAT returns for the past 10 years, seeing as that you can not claim an expense and you can not claim the VAT on a VATAble expense if you receive a refund for the expense. This will mean Credit Notes will have to be issued for every invoice that was paid. OMG, I am glad I am in the financial space and an expert on the subject matter. Just imagine, not understanding the requirements and going to jail because you committed TAX fraud because you got a refund for your etolls and you did not understand the implications
 
Something I only realized very recently was the vast majority of our national highway system aren't actually what most people would call highways.
 
supersunbird said:
But it's not really user pay, it's registered vehicle owner pay.

And there are many sections one can travel on for free, because gantries are a certain distance apart, I can get on a Brakfontein IC and get off at Samrand, or get off at Botha Ave, without legally owing a sent for e-tolls despite using like 7 or 8KM of GFIP highway, so again, not all users paying. So GFIP e-toll implementation not fair anyway and just as bad as your examples.
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Seeing as everyone will apparently be getting a refund for everything they paid, I guess all of this then changes. I wonder if OUTA will then give back all the money they got paid from road users. I seriously doubt that. Then at least the people that did not support OUTA and paid their tolls can tell the people that paid OUTA that they lost money. LOL. How the Turns have Tabled
 
Zophos said:
is ------| ?
Keep it consistent (-----| and ----- |, just no)
It's Fuel nor Feul.
does Eskom diesel have to do with E-tolls?

I suspect you might benefit from a typing coach...?

/rant over

Disclaimer: The above is not a personal attack, and need to be viewed as constructive criticism.
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(------|) Tried to keep the nor Fuel Levy on the one side, I prefer working in Excel
(It's Fuel "nor" Feul).& (I suspect you might benefit from a typing coach...?) You will not believe it but I started on keybr.com today; I really want to start typing without looking at my keyboard. So sometimes one finger still beats the other one, sorry.
( does Eskom diesel have to do with E-tolls) If they implement a 3c/Liter Fuel levy, then every liter of diesel that Eskom burn to try and limit load shedding will include this 3c/liter levy. Currently Burning R2billion diesel per month, which is roughly 80 million liters of diesel and that is R2,400,000 per month if the levy ends up being 3c/liter.

(Disclaimer) You took the time to write the post, Thanks.
 
Financial Coach said:
Well, If you paid an invoice or a statement, they should have records of that, (Requirement from SARS) then you should be able to get everything back that you paid. If they allow this payback topic. The only thing where you would require something like proof of payment would be if you paid and they did not allocate the payment to your account.
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Who keeps their slips from 10 years ago?

I never paid, just playing devil's advocate here xD
 
Pitbull said:
Who keeps their slips from 10 years ago?

I never paid, just playing devil's advocate here xD
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I would assume that after this is paid, a lot more people will start keeping their slips if it was a grudge purchase like this. I am just glad that I have everything on email. However, I think this will take another couple of years to get sorted and paid, and by the time they finally switch off everything, then they will see that the user pay principal is the fairest of the options and switch everything on again
 
Financial Coach said:
I would assume that after this is paid, a lot more people will start keeping their slips if it was a grudge purchase like this. I am just glad that I have everything on email. However, I think this will take another couple of years to get sorted and paid, and by the time they finally switch off everything, then they will see that the user pay principal is the fairest of the options and switch everything on again
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Getting House vibes here...

Well, as I explained, the current e-toll system is not user pays, so if you are indeed user pays, you will be against the current e-toll system implementation.
 
supersunbird said:
Getting House vibes here...

Well, as I explained, the current e-toll system is not user pays, so if you are indeed user pays, you will be against the current e-toll system implementation.
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They should just replace the gantries with Boom gates at every on and off ramp and every entrance and exit to Gauteng, then if you have a tag it will calculate how many km's you traveled on the highway with your entry and exit point, and if you don't have the tag then you get charged R50 per trip. This will also stop hijackers from using the highway it will be too slow LOL. Then it is a user-pay system.
 
supersunbird said:
Getting House vibes here...

Well, as I explained, the current e-toll system is not user pays, so if you are indeed user pays, you will be against the current e-toll system implementation.
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I was thinking exactly the same
 
You get an "open" and "closed" toll road system

An open system is like the ehollie/etollie system. Not easy to get traffic to stop and pay, due to the volume of traffic, especially in Guptastan.

A closed system is like the N4/N17/N1N/N1S system, most especially in the N4 Diamondhill/Bronkhorstspruit area where the on/offramps do have booms. This can only be achieved if the volume of traffic's not too high.

N1S have some interesting times during peak holiday times, especially when the entire Gauteng goes to the seaside, and back again. No way that you can plan for that volume of traffic. Got caught up in the volume of traffic at peak time, never again. Once is enough.
 
Anyway Durban needs another highway linking it directly it directly to the interior the fact that major import and exports can be haulted by protestors blocking a single highway isn't good for National Security.

Speaking of these protestors, they could be trying their shyte this coming Sunday morning.
 
Zophos said:
WTF is ------| ?
Keep it consistent (-----| and ----- |, just no)
It's Fuel nor Feul.
WTF does Eskom diesel have to do with E-tolls?

I suspect you might benefit from a typing coach...?

/rant over

Disclaimer: The above is not a personal attack, and need to be viewed as constructive criticism.
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What is "nor"? Is this a typo for "not"?
 
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