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[cavedog]

Google drive rolled out a file limit without notice.

Google Drive does a surprise rollout of file limits, locking out some users

The new file limit means you can't actually use the storage you buy from Google.

arstechnica.com

Looks like they really are clamping down on Gdrive users. @SeaSickMama @Yuu

5 million file count cap is still pretty extensive.

Shared/team drives were always capped at 400 000 files which it is still. Given my usage of 200TB on one shared drive I have only reached 28% of this 400k limit so it's still a very generous limit in my opinion. I think this limit is for the people with 20 Petabyte storage. Maybe also the rclone users encrypting files.

 

[rvZA]

Google drive rolled out a file limit without notice.

Google Drive does a surprise rollout of file limits, locking out some users

The new file limit means you can't actually use the storage you buy from Google.

arstechnica.com

Looks like they really are clamping down on Gdrive users. @SeaSickMama @Yuu

5 million file count cap is still pretty extensive.

Shared/team drives were always capped at 400 000 files which it is still. Given my usage of 200TB on one shared drive I have only reached 28% of this 400k limit so it's still a very generous limit in my opinion. I think this limit is for the people with 20 Petabyte storage. Maybe also the rclone users encrypting files.

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"The Cloud" is not a storage space for all your documents, music, movies and any other type of digital file. It is too impractical and expensive. Over and above this, these big companies will catch you off-guard at some point in an attempt to force you into extremely high payments, like Google is currently doing.

I have learnt my lesson. Will now only buy 20TB hard drives in pairs. One to keep files on and the other keep duplicates on in case the first dies or get damaged.

As I am busy working on this, I am emptying my Gdrive and will scale down until I am back on the free 15GB version again.

 

[OCP]

"The Cloud" is not a storage space for all your documents, music, movies and any other type of digital file. It is too impractical and expensive. Over and above this, these big companies will catch you off-guard at some point in an attempt to force you into extremely high payments, like Google is currently doing.

I have learnt my lesson. Will now only buy 20TB hard drives in pairs. One to keep files on and the other keep duplicates on in case the first dies or get damaged.

As I am busy working on this, I am emptying my Gdrive and will scale down until I am back on the free 15GB version again.

I agree with regards to movies/music/etc (except maybe personal movies/photos as those are very precious)

But for you average user to host their own cloud sync solution:
20TB drive is about R9k x2 = R18k
Cost of device to run drive in RAID = R ??
Cost of internet connection (ie. fibre) to share storage in cloud = R ??
Cost of backup internet connection (ie 4G) = R ??
Cost of electricity to run device + drives + router/cloud connection = R ??
Cost of power backup to keep device + drives + router/cloud connection running during loadshedding = R ??
Cost/time to manage and maintain the device + drives + cloud share service (updates/security) = R ??
Cost of backup of data (RAID is not a backup ;-) ) = R ??
Sleeping soundly at night not having to worry about a device + drives being stolen = priceless

Having Google/Pcloud/etc storage doesn't seem excessively expensive to me.

nb. I have 2x Synology NAS devices in 2 locations that store all my critical data which is also replicated to cloud storage but then again i'm in IT and have access to resources and skills most non-tech people don't.

 

[cavedog]

"The Cloud" is not a storage space for all your documents, music, movies and any other type of digital file. It is too impractical and expensive. Over and above this, these big companies will catch you off-guard at some point in an attempt to force you into extremely high payments, like Google is currently doing.

I have learnt my lesson. Will now only buy 20TB hard drives in pairs. One to keep files on and the other keep duplicates on in case the first dies or get damaged.

As I am busy working on this, I am emptying my Gdrive and will scale down until I am back on the free 15GB version again.

I think it's actually the best solution.

I'm paying 13.84 Euro now (17.30 full price) for unlimited redundant storage accessible anywhere in the world. I don't think there is any other solution that is cheaper than this. It's always there, never lost or down and I access it at whatever line speed I have just 3ms away from me.




I don't think I can save all this data and have access to it at any time anywhere else for like ~R300 per month. It's not possible even with the 10TB per file size limit, 750GB upload per user per day and 5 million files per account and 10TB per day download limit all hosted/accessible in South Africa.

 

[OCP]

I think it's actually the best solution.

I'm paying 13.84 Euro now (17.30 full price) for unlimited redundant storage accessible anywhere in the world. I don't think there is any other solution that is cheaper than this. It's always there, never lost or down and I access it at whatever line speed I have just 3ms away from me.


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I don't think I can save all this data and have access to it at any time anywhere else for like ~R300 per month. It's not possible even with the 10TB per file size limit, 750GB upload per user per day and 5 million files per account and 10TB per day download limit all hosted/accessible in South Africa.

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That's dirt cheap!

 

[DarkSt0rm]

Been wanting to fiddle with the dropbox unlimited storage option if Google becomes and issue, just haven't had time. Has anyone else had a look at it?

 

[tm458]

I'm paying 13.84 Euro now (17.30 full price) for unlimited redundant storage accessible anywhere in the world. I don't think there is any other solution that is cheaper than this.

This obviously isn't as good since its not unlimited etc but the Microsoft dev program is also a solid choice for literally no money at all.

 

[rvZA]

Been wanting to fiddle with the dropbox unlimited storage option if Google becomes and issue, just haven't had time. Has anyone else had a look at it?

No service in this world can offer you Unlimited Storage. Even Google came to realize it. You need to accept there will always be some limit and then eventually some form of payment for what you are already using for free. Unfortunately, this is the reality. If you want Unlimited storage, best is to start working on building and paying for your own, which in the long term, will save you a lot of money. Online services will become too expensive and eventually unaffordable.

 

[Speedster]

No service in this world can offer you Unlimited Storage. Even Google came to realize it. You need to accept there will always be some limit and then eventually some form of payment for what you are already using for free. Unfortunately, this is the reality. If you want Unlimited storage, best is to start working on building and paying for your own, which in the long term, will save you a lot of money. Online services will become too expensive and eventually unaffordable.

How does spending tens of thousands of rands on hard drives (which will need replacing) save anyone money?

Also, just to point out the obvious failure in your logic, buying hard drives is very much not unlimited storage.

 

[OCP]

How does spending tens of thousands of rands on hard drives (which will need replacing) save anyone money?

Also, just to point out the obvious failure in your logic, buying hard drives is very much not unlimited storage.

Exactly this - had to replace a 2TB drive in one of my Synologies last night - was a 2018 drive so 5 years was ok considering the NAS spends most of it's time powered off...

 

[rvZA]

How does spending tens of thousands of rands on hard drives (which will need replacing) save anyone money?

Also, just to point out the obvious failure in your logic, buying hard drives is very much not unlimited storage.

This is how.

I am on Google's Enterprise with so-called "Unlimited storage" when I need it, but was told I do not need it and need to pay US$300 for 10TB additional storage per month. A quick sum showed me this will cost me R5,300 per month, or R63,600 per year for the 10TB.

So, I hopped off to BoB and bought myself 2 16TB hard drives, one I use for files, the other for backups of the first. It cost me R7400 per drive.

Yes, almost R15k for 2 drives was expensive, but I now have 32TB storage, no monthly payments. This will save me probably around R48,600 this year in payments to Google for 10TB storage, which I plan to deplete by the end of the year. I will likely buy 2 more drives before then and this still save myself another R33,600 in payments to Google for the same 10TB they want to charge me for and will have an additional 64TB in storage and no monthly payments to an online service.

Oh, and so you know, my backup drives are not on the same premises as my normal drives. I keep them on two different premises in case there is loadshedding, I and all my users can still access content on the backup drives if electricity fails.

 

[Speedster]

This is how.

I am on Google's Enterprise with so-called "Unlimited storage" when I need it, but was told I do not need it and need to pay US$300 for 10TB additional storage per month. A quick sum showed me this will cost me R5,300 per month, or R63,600 per year for the 10TB.

So, I hopped off to BoB and bought myself 2 16TB hard drives, one I use for files, the other for backups of the first. It cost me R7400 per drive.

Yes, almost R15k for 2 drives was expensive, but I now have 32TB storage, no monthly payments. This will save me probably around R48,600 this year in payments to Google for 10TB storage, which I plan to deplete by the end of the year. I will likely buy 2 more drives before then and this still save myself another R33,600 in payments to Google for the same 10TB they want to charge me for and will have an additional 64TB in storage and no monthly payments to an online service.

Oh, and so you know, my backup drives are not on the same premises as my normal drives. I keep them on two different premises in case there is loadshedding, I and all my users can still access content on the backup drives if electricity fails.

I have no idea how Google's pricing works, bit that pricing seems off.

These guys charge $80 per year (with the first year practically free).

https://www.idrive.com/pricing

 

[DarkSt0rm]

No service in this world can offer you Unlimited Storage. Even Google came to realize it. You need to accept there will always be some limit and then eventually some form of payment for what you are already using for free. Unfortunately, this is the reality. If you want Unlimited storage, best is to start working on building and paying for your own, which in the long term, will save you a lot of money. Online services will become too expensive and eventually unaffordable.

Dunno about that. When I asked the folks at Dropbox they said they would be happy to provision up to 100TB for me with their 'advanced' plan (after I pay ie no trial). As it is, I only have about 40TB on Drive, so 100TB would be good for me for the next decade... Yea it's like $100/m but for the convenience of having all my files on hand no matter the device or location (I travel a *lot*), + backup provisioning/etc, it's a no-brainer. My Drive is still ticking along happily, as it has for *many* years. I'm just making plans for when it doesn't anymore.

 

[rvZA]

Dunno about that. When I asked the folks at Dropbox they said they would be happy to provision up to 100TB for me with their 'advanced' plan (after I pay ie no trial). As it is, I only have about 40TB on Drive, so 100TB would be good for me for the next decade... Yea it's like $100/m but for the convenience of having all my files on hand no matter the device or location (I travel a *lot*), + backup provisioning/etc, it's a no-brainer. My Drive is still ticking along happily, as it has for *many* years. I'm just making plans for when it doesn't anymore.

I don't know...

Even at $100 a month, this would come to around R21,404 per year, and you are speaking roughly about the next decade, which would cost you around R214,040.

From a cost perspective, at around R9k for a 20TB drive, you can buy 5 at R45k, another 5 for backups at another R45k, which will give you 10 20TB hard drives and a combined 200TB of space, and save yourself about R120k. Use another R10k and pay someone to setup the system for you. You can always access it remotely, and you will still have saved yourself R100k in the process.

You can use the R100k over the next 10 years to either replace equipment that has gone, if any, or even increase capacity. Else, in 10 years time use that R100k to work for itself and make its own money in investments abroad.

I think these services are fine if you do not have the capital to lay out initially, but once you have the funds to buy your first 2 drives, one for files and one for backups, it becomes a no-brainer.

 

[SeaSickMama]

Google drive rolled out a file limit without notice.

Google Drive does a surprise rollout of file limits, locking out some users

The new file limit means you can't actually use the storage you buy from Google.

arstechnica.com

Looks like they really are clamping down on Gdrive users. @SeaSickMama @Yuu

5 million file count cap is still pretty extensive.

Shared/team drives were always capped at 400 000 files which it is still. Given my usage of 200TB on one shared drive I have only reached 28% of this 400k limit so it's still a very generous limit in my opinion. I think this limit is for the people with 20 Petabyte storage. Maybe also the rclone users encrypting files.

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Yeah as i said a guy with 900TB he got his whole gsuite account killed. As you actually meant to be on enterprise or have more than 5 users.

But i think its all down to people abusing the API also, as they blocking the IP on that level also for the box.

Then killing the account i think if stuff gets out of hand

 

[W@P]

I think it's actually the best solution.

I'm paying 13.84 Euro now (17.30 full price) for unlimited redundant storage accessible anywhere in the world. I don't think there is any other solution that is cheaper than this. It's always there, never lost or down and I access it at whatever line speed I have just 3ms away from me.


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I don't think I can save all this data and have access to it at any time anywhere else for like ~R300 per month. It's not possible even with the 10TB per file size limit, 750GB upload per user per day and 5 million files per account and 10TB per day download limit all hosted/accessible in South Africa.

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Wtf kind of data are you storing? Did you upload your brain?

 

[DarkSt0rm]

I don't know...

Even at $100 a month, this would come to around R21,404 per year, and you are speaking roughly about the next decade, which would cost you around R214,040.

From a cost perspective, at around R9k for a 20TB drive, you can buy 5 at R45k, another 5 for backups at another R45k, which will give you 10 20TB hard drives and a combined 200TB of space, and save yourself about R120k. Use another R10k and pay someone to setup the system for you. You can always access it remotely, and you will still have saved yourself R100k in the process.

You can use the R100k over the next 10 years to either replace equipment that has gone, if any, or even increase capacity. Else, in 10 years time use that R100k to work for itself and make its own money in investments abroad.

I think these services are fine if you do not have the capital to lay out initially, but once you have the funds to buy your first 2 drives, one for files and one for backups, it becomes a no-brainer.

Courtesy of our incoming AI overlords:

1. Ease of use and scalability: Setting up and maintaining a personal storage system can be more complex than using a cloud storage service. Cloud providers take care of server maintenance, software updates, and troubleshooting. Additionally, cloud storage offers easy scalability, allowing users to increase or decrease storage capacity as needed without significant effort.
2. Data security: Storing data on personal hard drives can pose risks, especially if proper security measures are not implemented. Cloud storage providers have the resources and expertise to implement robust security measures and protect sensitive data. In South Africa, the risk of theft or physical damage to personal hard drives should also be considered.
3. Data redundancy and recovery: Cloud storage services provide redundant storage of data across multiple locations, which helps prevent data loss due to hardware failure. Personal hard drive setups may not have the same level of redundancy, and recovering data in case of failure may be more challenging.
4. Cost of maintenance and electricity: While the initial investment in hard drives may be lower, there are ongoing costs associated with maintaining, powering, and cooling personal storage systems. These expenses can add up over time and should be factored into the total cost of ownership. In South Africa, electricity supply issues and load shedding can further complicate the reliability and cost-effectiveness of personal hard drives.

 

[rvZA]

Courtesy of our incoming AI overlords:

1. Ease of use and scalability: Setting up and maintaining a personal storage system can be more complex than using a cloud storage service. Cloud providers take care of server maintenance, software updates, and troubleshooting. Additionally, cloud storage offers easy scalability, allowing users to increase or decrease storage capacity as needed without significant effort.
2. Data security: Storing data on personal hard drives can pose risks, especially if proper security measures are not implemented. Cloud storage providers have the resources and expertise to implement robust security measures and protect sensitive data. In South Africa, the risk of theft or physical damage to personal hard drives should also be considered.
3. Data redundancy and recovery: Cloud storage services provide redundant storage of data across multiple locations, which helps prevent data loss due to hardware failure. Personal hard drive setups may not have the same level of redundancy, and recovering data in case of failure may be more challenging.
4. Cost of maintenance and electricity: While the initial investment in hard drives may be lower, there are ongoing costs associated with maintaining, powering, and cooling personal storage systems. These expenses can add up over time and should be factored into the total cost of ownership. In South Africa, electricity supply issues and load shedding can further complicate the reliability and cost-effectiveness of personal hard drives.

Yeah, that is what they want you to believe so that you can part with your money, keep them in business and enrich them. But, in reality, very few people will be affected by any of their selling points. The costs with running a server from home is still a million times cheaper and easier as they want to make it out.

 

[Speedster]

Yeah, that is what they want you to believe so that you can part with your money, keep them in business and enrich them. But, in reality, very few people will be affected by any of their selling points. The costs with running a server from home is still a million times cheaper and easier as they want to make it out.

You're just "conveniently" ignoring the fact that 10TB shouldn't cost you more than $100 per YEAR. That's R1800 per year. Nothing close to the crazy numbers you are casually chucking around

 

[rvZA]

You're just "conveniently" ignoring the fact that 10TB shouldn't cost you more than $100 per YEAR. That's R1800 per year. Nothing close to the crazy numbers you are casually chucking around

Not sure what planet you are living on, or what shady providers you are using that may disappear anytime and you lose everything... but Google Inc in the US on their Workspace, charges me US$300 (R5,324) for 10TB additional data per month after I have reached my totally unlimited cap of 5TB on their biggest enterprise plan. Not per year. Not quarterly. Per month.

Yes, there are services that are probably US$10, or US$30 cheaper per month, but nonetheless, they are still ripping people off at these prices and you can save a whole lot of money buying your own drives and doing things yourself.

Damn, set up one drive at your home, another at a family members home and walla....., you have your own cloud too.