Google : Enough is enough

Syphonx

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Karma is a bitch, and if googles pull down notifications patent is approved Apple will not be able to dig their way out
 

CalmD

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Good to see. I used to be an Apple fan but got tired of their bullying, I still use an iPhone but plan to get myself a Galaxy S3 in October :D
 

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Oh please oh please oh please let Google win...just for the laughs. Can you imagine the lolz if Apple cannot sell the iPhone 5 in the US?? Bwhahahahaha!!!
 

BlackMamba

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maybe Apple can give me the rest of the half eaten apple to finish it all and Google will give them a full pear
 

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Can someone please paste the article? Cant access the site from work pc.
 

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Here be a more detailed article from ZDNet...

ZDNet said:
If Apple insists on playing with MAD in its patent lawsuits, you may not be able to buy any Apple gear later this year.
Apple has been asking for it, and now they're getting it.

Cupertino has been doing its best to sue Samsung's Android tablets and smartphones out of the market rather than compete with them. Now, Motorola -- under Google's control -- is returning the favor. Motorola Mobility is asking the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) to ban the import of iPhones, iPads, and Macs.

Welcome to the next logical step in the world of patent warfare: mutually assured destruction (MAD).

For those of you who didn't grow up during the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union, here's how MAD worked.

In MAD-driven foreign policy, the U.S. and the Soviet Union never let things get too ugly between the superpowers because if one of them went too far, the other could bomb the other into the Stone Age and vice-versa. So, yes, there were all kinds of wars from the '50s through the '80s -- Afghanistan, Angola, Korea, and Vietnam -- but the great powers never launched nukes at each other.

MAD was a cold, hard policy; but it worked.

Apple decided to go after Android, in the form of leading Android smartphone vendor Samsung, in what Steve Jobs called "thermonuclear war." Jobs may have been a great leader and a brilliant thinker, but he was no Henry Kissinger when it came to business partnerships and lawsuits.

Samsung promptly returned Jobs' nukes - asking for Samsung's smartphones and tablets to be banned - by throwing their own nuclear warheads back at Apple. Samsung demanded that Apple's iPhone 4, iPhone 4S and iPad 2 should be banned from sales for patent violations. It was then only a matter of time before Samsung's main ally, Google, would enter the fight.

As I predicted once Google was armed with the Motorola patent portfolio, it would go after Android's lawsuit happy enemies. Heck, Google chief executive Larry Page himself had said: "Our acquisition of Motorola will increase competition by strengthening Google's patent portfolio, which will enable us to better protect Android from anti-competitive threats from Microsoft, Apple and other companies."

That day came. First, Google/Motorola hit Apple with a patent lawsuit that may yet end up banning the sale of iPhones in the US. Apple may, however, be able to dodge this bullet if the ITC rules that these patents were licensed under "fair and reasonable" (FRAND) terms.

This new lawsuit though doesn't have the FRAND fallout shelter. If Google gets its way with the ITC, there might not be any Phones, iPads, and Macs on store shelves sometime soon. Apple never should have gotten into this all-out patent war with both Google/Motorola and Samsung.

Even back in 2005, I said just how stupid it would be for companies to get involved in a patent MAD war.

Jobs insisted on making it a winner-take-all grudge match and, for some reason, Apple's current chief executive Tim Cook has stayed the course.

Sure, Apple has just become the most valuable company ever, but how long will they stay that way if Apple loses big at any of these patent lawsuits or ITC hearings? Remember, this isn't really about Apple paying megabucks to its rivals; it's about having the iPhone, iPad, and Mac being banned from sale.

How much will Apple be worth if it can't sell the iPhone 5 in the US in September? How much will Apple be worth if Apple can't sell its products in the 2012 holiday season?

If Apple wants to take a chance on going from being the biggest company of all time to being the all-time example of how a company can destroy itself with dangerous lawsuits. Cook and Samsung chief executive Kwon Oh Hyun should come to an mutually beneficial agreement as soon as possible instead of continuing to play at business thermonuclear war.

To quote from the 1983 movie, WarGames, there's only one way to "win" at thermonuclear war: "The only winning move is not to play."

Source
 

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Can someone please paste the article? Cant access the site from work pc.
just for you ockie :p

Original Article said:
I knew this day would come. I can’t say that I hoped for it, but in all honesty, it was inevitable. Apple has been very busy lately in doing all it can to ban as many Android devices as it can, and HTC, Samsung, and Motorola have all got a small taste of the Apple juice lately. But something has changed: Google now owns Motorola, and aren’t wasting any time in defending their new acquisition, as they are now seeking a sales ban on the iPhone, iPad, and Mac computers in the US. This time, it’s personal, and contains a twist that could make this particular lawsuit a very dangerous one for Apple.
This is the first case that Google has signed off on in defending their new hardware company, meaning that there’s no more lurking in the background providing support. This is full on Google with their lawyers directly involved, and with the Big G not only watching, but acting. But Google and Motorola were clever. This isn't a lawsuit that deals with silly topics such as icons or square shaped tablets.
Google and Motorola are filing patent infringement for non-standard essential patents. To put it simply, Google-rola has filed a case for a patent/patents that courts cannot legally force companies to patent, meaning that if they win this case, Apple could be forced to completely stop using the patent in their devices.
We don’t have exact confirmation on which Wifi related patent is in question here, but we do know that Motorola attempted to reach licensing agreements with Apple (since 2010), which Apple apparently refused. Motorola stated that:
“We would like to settle these patent matters, but Apple’s unwillingness to work out a license leaves us little choice but to defend ourselves and our engineers’ innovations”.
This is a big one for Google and for Apple. This isn’t just an OEM that Apple is dealing with now. This is one of the most powerful (if not THE most powerful) movers and shakers in the world. If this comes to trial, Apple will have its hands full, and might even be forced to rely on Microsoft for backup.
The patent wars involving Android and Apple have now reached a new level, and with Google in the center, I have a feeling that things could get very very ugly for the companies that have sought to ban Android products.
 

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This should not happen! I know it is payback for Apple's silly patent claims, but this might harm the industry. The wars between iOS and Android (and other insignificant OS' for smartphones), has stimulated the market in order to produce devices like the iPhone, Galaxy S3, RAZR, One X and the Experia (not to mention the tyablets out there). And though most Android and iOS lovers would like to push them aside, even Nokia has made serious advances to compete against Android and iOS. By "killing" iOS, this competition might not get stimulated as much and we (the end user), might not see serious advances in this technological field. I'm not saying growth will seize to exist, I am just saying it might be much slower.
 

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This should not happen! I know it is payback for Apple's silly patent claims, but this might harm the industry. The wars between iOS and Android (and other insignificant OS' for smartphones), has stimulated the market in order to produce devices like the iPhone, Galaxy S3, RAZR, One X and the Experia (not to mention the tyablets out there). And though most Android and iOS lovers would like to push them aside, even Nokia has made serious advances to compete against Android and iOS. By "killing" iOS, this competition might not get stimulated as much and we (the end user), might not see serious advances in this technological field. I'm not saying growth will seize to exist, I am just saying it might be much slower.

...totally worth it :twisted:


Besides, maybe some of those insignificant OS's will get their time to shine with the big Drama Queen out of the way.
 

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This should not happen! I know it is payback for Apple's silly patent claims, but this might harm the industry. The wars between iOS and Android (and other insignificant OS' for smartphones), has stimulated the market in order to produce devices like the iPhone, Galaxy S3, RAZR, One X and the Experia (not to mention the tyablets out there). And though most Android and iOS lovers would like to push them aside, even Nokia has made serious advances to compete against Android and iOS. By "killing" iOS, this competition might not get stimulated as much and we (the end user), might not see serious advances in this technological field. I'm not saying growth will seize to exist, I am just saying it might be much slower.

Yes. It is unfortunate. But - unfortunately - the only way to stop a bully is to klap him right back.
Had Apple chosen innovation over litigation I don't think things would have gotten to this point.
 

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Maybe this will push Apple to settle with both Samsung & Google/Motorola outside court and nothing gets banned on either side. This way we will still have the competition that ensures better devices for us the consumers.

We will have to wait and see how this goes down, might change the cell phone/tablet environment forever.
 

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...totally worth it :twisted:


Besides, maybe some of those insignificant OS's will get their time to shine with the big Drama Queen out of the way.

Nothing is stopping them!


Yes. It is unfortunate. But - unfortunately - the only way to stop a bully is to klap him right back.
Had Apple chosen innovation over litigation I don't think things would have gotten to this point.

Exactly! This could have been prevented.
 

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...totally worth it :twisted:


Besides, maybe some of those insignificant OS's will get their time to shine with the big Drama Queen out of the way.

I agree. Firefox OS would love a chance at this I am sure :)
 

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Maybe this will push Apple to settle with both Samsung & Google/Motorola outside court and nothing gets banned on either side. This way we will still have the competition that ensures better devices for us the consumers.

It does seem very silly on Apple's part considering how well they where doing in the first place to now go after every little thing!
Maybe they need a wake up call but outright ban I hope not as that effects everything, we need competition , it benefits us consumers as was said.
 
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