-
Join the MyBroadband community
South Africa’s biggest forum. Discuss, discover, and connect with thousands of members.
-
Question of the Day: Do you have a Tax-Free Savings Account?
Greater demand for IT skills
- Thread starter rpm
- Start date
Tell you what, if they still haven't fixed telecoms by end of yr(which is likely due to the way they dragging things out) then i see no point in staying after this yr when i finish my degree. I think it all comes down to that, i'd rather go travel and work in lesser positions than stay and well always have to complain about telecoms being so messed up and expensive. After all that in the end limits IT jobs too. Directly and indirectly.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
I seem to remember an article supporting the opposite view point a while back? Anyone else remember that, or is it just a case of Alzheimers Lite with me again?
stoke
Honorary Master
Well ... nobody I work with has seen one advert from governmint requesting IT skills.
Does governmint know how to advertise for IT jobs ?
methinks that mebbe they should have a look at that first
Does governmint know how to advertise for IT jobs ?
methinks that mebbe they should have a look at that first
Moederloos
Honorary Master
stoke said:
lol. Steps involved in acquiring IT skills.
1) Hire someone who understands IT
2) Hire someone who understands marketing
3) Advertise for said skills (now that you know what you need and how to ask for it)
4) Fire the skills you have just acquired
5) Replace with tjommies who have no idea what IT or marketing are
6) repeat.
moosag
Expert Member
I work for a software dev company as a senior developer... We have been trying to hire good solid developers who fall under the BEE category. Unfortunately there arent any! Out of 150 candidate interviews we found like 2. Everyone is studying... Bcom IT (IT ANALYSTS ARE THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF WANKERS EVER!!) There's no need for IT Analysts.... Its like government... all they do is analyse....
Like they said its serious problem between the education system and the job market!!
Like they said its serious problem between the education system and the job market!!
Is it any wonder though? Most educated IT workers don't/can't put up with the telecoms "crudeola" in this country and happily move overseas. Why should they have to fork out car payments for internet access? It's ridiculous. I can't believe how government can be suprised by the lack of IT skills in this country. It's virtually destroying this sector on it's own, with blah blah blah (all the things I'm getting tired of repeating)....
nictron
Senior Member
Mr.
To be honest I find this article a bit ironic from my point of view. I have been in the IT administration and Management business for the last 6 years. I had to leave the IT field for a few months due to a family emergency. I have been trying to get back into the IT market for the last 6 Month's and good luck with that. I am also currently considering leaving this country because I am just sick and tired of seeing two things happen, 1)management not able to make up their mind of who too hire, and 2)the fact that I have too compete with this whole turn around racism, ONLY EQUITY POSSITION crap.
Enjoy!!
To be honest I find this article a bit ironic from my point of view. I have been in the IT administration and Management business for the last 6 years. I had to leave the IT field for a few months due to a family emergency. I have been trying to get back into the IT market for the last 6 Month's and good luck with that. I am also currently considering leaving this country because I am just sick and tired of seeing two things happen, 1)management not able to make up their mind of who too hire, and 2)the fact that I have too compete with this whole turn around racism, ONLY EQUITY POSSITION crap.
Enjoy!!
diabolus
Executive Member
Well until recently i had the issue as nictron mentioned with companies not able to decide who to hire [black/white and/or qualifications : Degree vs. Special IT certificate in whatever tech is needed]. Since being in Gauteng ive more found that IT as a career doesn't look as promising as a more Analyst [BCom] type of position. Primarily because companies do not have an IT strategy and do not consider it as crucial part of their business compared to having a finance or hr depts.
All IT positions tend to be contracts [short term focus ] and it's clear companies do not REALLY want to have an IT dept on a permanent basis. They just want people to set up a system maybe design and code a few things and then they can get a cheap dba to admin it for 5+ years. Then you as IT prof. need to get training in new tech [which change every 2 years] at your own cost just to get the "next" job . Compare that to an Analyst type of job where you generally grow and gain experience on the long term [and move up through a company], in IT you can become obsolete in less than 2 years, very hard to move "up" anywhere.
All IT positions tend to be contracts [short term focus ] and it's clear companies do not REALLY want to have an IT dept on a permanent basis. They just want people to set up a system maybe design and code a few things and then they can get a cheap dba to admin it for 5+ years. Then you as IT prof. need to get training in new tech [which change every 2 years] at your own cost just to get the "next" job . Compare that to an Analyst type of job where you generally grow and gain experience on the long term [and move up through a company], in IT you can become obsolete in less than 2 years, very hard to move "up" anywhere.
Last edited:
I'm also not seeing any huge demand. At the very least a supply shortage should have led to salary escalation which isn't happening.
Employers are still being extremely specific and inflexible about what they require, even when whatever products they use are not widely used. It isn't any better overseas though. In most places the pay is even more dismal than here unless you have certain specific skills that are in demand.
Employers can be extremely foolish, spending six months looking for someone with exactly the skills they require rather than hiring someone intelligent who can learn, and putting some time into training them. Eventually in most cases they have to give in and do this anyway, but by then they have wasted months of productivity.
I can support giving preference to a non-white candidate when you have two equal or near equal candidates, but setting quotas is just impractical.
Employers are still being extremely specific and inflexible about what they require, even when whatever products they use are not widely used. It isn't any better overseas though. In most places the pay is even more dismal than here unless you have certain specific skills that are in demand.
Employers can be extremely foolish, spending six months looking for someone with exactly the skills they require rather than hiring someone intelligent who can learn, and putting some time into training them. Eventually in most cases they have to give in and do this anyway, but by then they have wasted months of productivity.
I can support giving preference to a non-white candidate when you have two equal or near equal candidates, but setting quotas is just impractical.
nictron
Senior Member
On the money!
I agree with noxibox and diabolus. When I was employed it was difficult to get approval for training and to advance yourself. It is like business has no use for IT and that they see it as the last place they want to spend money. And when they do spend money on IT it is so insignificant that it hardly makes a difference to the overall picture.
In a resent study it was revealed that SA companies spend 3-5 times less on IT than in other developing and first world countries. And this is probably why IT is in such a state at the moment.
You just cant have all these problems in the same sector, it will and is causing havoc, and in my opinion it is going to hurt this country in the long run.
Nictron
I agree with noxibox and diabolus. When I was employed it was difficult to get approval for training and to advance yourself. It is like business has no use for IT and that they see it as the last place they want to spend money. And when they do spend money on IT it is so insignificant that it hardly makes a difference to the overall picture.
In a resent study it was revealed that SA companies spend 3-5 times less on IT than in other developing and first world countries. And this is probably why IT is in such a state at the moment.
You just cant have all these problems in the same sector, it will and is causing havoc, and in my opinion it is going to hurt this country in the long run.
Nictron