Gym question for 49 yo

RunningFromFat said:
Are you going to call every bodybuilder obese because their BMI is huge due to the massive amount of muscle?
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Depends on this:

Body Fat Calculator

This free body fat calculator estimates body fat percentage based on the U.S. Navy Method and the BMI method. It gives the loss needed to reach ideal body fat.
www.calculator.net www.calculator.net

And remember, the heart is also a muscle. Is developing an enlarged heart to look muscly a good idea?
 
Whoops! I've walked into a gym with alternate views. A bit like walking into a church with alternate views. I'll leave you guys to it.
 
As many have said, supplements are not what you're looking for. A diet change, is.
I'd say that a change in diet alone contributes 70%+ of weight loss and overall better health.

Foods like seed-oils (except for Coconut, Avocado and Olive oils), wheat products (bread/pasta/cereals) and sugar, all trigger inflammation in the body which is part of what causes joint/skeletal pains, aggravated by exercise.

You could consider supplementing with K2-Calcium, Iron and Collagen.

And also don't overexagerate yourself at the gym. It is better to go more frequently and exercise lightly until you are stronger, than to burn yourself up in one session and wait days to recover before you can go again.

I personally have this with milk and ice, crushed in a blender, after I gym. Mainly because it tastes fscking fantastic!
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Cosmik Debris said:
Whoops! I've walked into a gym with alternate views. A bit like walking into a church with alternate views. I'll leave you guys to it.
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Opposing views is ok? Also simply just google is BMI accurate....
It really isnt a great way to measure these things
 
Cosmik Debris said:
Depends on this:

Body Fat Calculator

This free body fat calculator estimates body fat percentage based on the U.S. Navy Method and the BMI method. It gives the loss needed to reach ideal body fat.
www.calculator.net www.calculator.net

And remember, the heart is also a muscle. Is developing an enlarged heart to look muscly a good idea?
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What does that have to do with the BMI measurement itself? You are shifting the discussion now instead of acknowledging that BMI is not for everyone, and in fact, there is a fair consensus that is has quite a lot of inaccuracies.
On a side note, to address what you said anyways, you can have muscle naturally and still push that BMI measurement way off
 
William Foster said:
I know enough to agree that BMI is a poor metric. This is because my BMI indicates I'm obese, which is far from the truth.

It's only Harvard, those losers peddling fake news again...
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That's because being overweight is now considered and looks normal. Have a look at photos from before the early 80's and see how skinny people actually were and what the norm was. The Low Fat, High Carb dietary guidelines that ushered in the high BMI date from 1977. The correct diet is High Fat, Low/No Carb, No Sugar.
 
syntax said:
What does that have to do with the BMI measurement itself? You are shifting the discussion now instead of acknowledging that BMI is not for everyone, and in fact, there is a fair consensus that is has quite a lot of inaccuracies.
On a side note, to address what you said anyways, you can have muscle naturally and still push that BMI measurement way off
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Any medical consensus on that or is it a gym consensus?
 
Cosmik Debris said:
That's because being overweight is now considered and looks normal. Have a look at photos from before the early 80's and see how skinny people actually were and what the norm was. The Low Fat, High Carb dietary guidelines that ushered in the high BMI date from 1977. The correct diet is High Fat, Low/No Carb, No Sugar.
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BMI should be cancelled as fake science as it doesn't consider being fat and healthy, you know?
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Cosmik Debris said:
That's because being overweight is now considered and looks normal. Have a look at photos from before the early 80's and see how skinny people actually were and what the norm was. The Low Fat, High Carb dietary guidelines that ushered in the high BMI date from 1977. The correct diet is High Fat, Low/No Carb, No Sugar.
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For everyone? Any medical consensus on that?
 
saor said:
Eat well, exercise, move, sleep. Give it time and let your body change at the pace it needs to. Imo you're barking up the wrong tree trying to speed things up with drugs or supplements. Unless you're competing in a sport that requires you to have a specific amount of muscle mass, you almost definately don't need enhancement. Rather work with your body by taking the time it needs to build muscle with good diet, good form and yes - time. Maybe a low dose of creatine, omega 3, k2, zinc as per @Grubscrew . But this is more for general health than any kind of contributor to muscle gain.
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One factor people forget about is managing your stress. You can befok about what you eat, how you exercise and sleep, but it is moot if you don't look after your mental state which directly affects all three. As for the gym.. personally I'd pass on the gym and stick to my kettlebells and calisthenics


 
Cosmik Debris said:
Any medical consensus on that or is it a gym consensus?
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Part of the problem is that BMI was never designed as a tool for judging any individual person's weight—either by physicians or the general public, says Timothy Church, a professor of health at Pennington Biomedical Research Center. In fact, the formula was originally intended to measure the collective weight of an entire population, but because of its straightforward math and distinctive categories (i.e., if you score a 25 on the BMI scale, you're overweight), it soon also took off.
https://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/a19539541/truth-about-bmi/
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BMI (body mass index), which is based on the height and weight of a person, is an inaccurate measure of body fat content and does not take into account muscle mass, bone density, overall body composition, and racial and sex differences, say researchers from the Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215
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We seem to be regularly force-fed the idea that the body-mass index (BMI) is an appropriate method by which to measure obesity in our patients. Indeed, Read Code 22K5 implies that obesity is only attained when the BMI is calculated as 30 or greater. However this is not only overly simplistic, but such a glib understanding can in fact be harmful to the health of a significant proportion of our patients.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930234/
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But BMI can go wrong. It can incorrectly flag the athletic or particularly muscular as overweight, for one. And a growing pile of research shows that it misses another category of people: those who are carrying a few extra pounds or who are even normal weight according to their BMI but who have too much fat in a particularly dangerous place. It’s those people who may walk around thinking they’re perfectly healthy when instead they’re at higher risk of heart disease, diabetes and premature death. There are other metrics that do a much better job of identifying these people — all we have to do is measure some hips and waists.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bmi-is-a-terrible-measure-of-health/
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