Gym question for 49 yo

[Crowley]

Did you have a Dalit to clean up after you that you paid a pittance?

St. Johns ambulance service did the course so I was also registered, just like you. I even received a certificate. Did you get one?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

St. Johns ambulance service did the course so I was also registered, just like you. I even received a certificate. Did you get one?

Were you registered with the HPCSA, or in those days, the Dept of Manpower and did you get a practice number? Or were you registered with St John? The rules have changed massively and a kid cannot assume medico-legal responsibility if they make a mistake treating a patient.

And are you aware that first aid certificates expire within 3 years and a refresher is required unless you remain current like I do by volunteering to work and doing courses? If yours is still current and valid you must be max in Srd 7.

 

[syntax]

Have a chat with your GP then. Don't forget to mention your unregistered Std 4 First Aid course to add credibility to your argument. Like Dr Geoff Google's unregistered Level 1 First Aid Certificate he relied on in the Covid threads.

A medical degree doesnt mean they know everything, some GP's and even specialists let themselves slide, don't research or are not open to new ideas or ways of doing things. I have chatted to numerous GP's who have absolutely no idea on TRT therapy for example.

For my spinal surgery I consulted 3 specialists, all who said there was no option but the way they recommended. I did tons of research, found another specialist with an exceptional track record and got a completely different prognosis, who also mentioned the other ways and why they were inferior.

I am reluctant to believe something entirely just because someone has a piece of paper saying they studied it, it does not guarantee that they are right.

On a side note, I mentioned in my first post that possibly WHR or WHR could be looked at instead of just BMI to be more accurate. I also have said so many times that there are more accurate ways than BMI, you keep ignoring that...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

A medical degree doesnt mean they know everything, some GP's and even specialists let themselves slide, don't research or are not open to new ideas or ways of doing things. I have chatted to numerous GP's who have absolutely no idea on TRT therapy for example.

So you know more than medical professionals then?

On a side note, I mentioned in my first post that possibly WHR or WHR could be looked at instead of just BMI to be more accurate. I also have said so many times that there are more accurate ways than BMI, you keep ignoring that...

I have stated several times just on this thread that BMI is a good initial indication of a person's correct weight. I have also stated that it is a starting point for more accurate adjustments to it due to different body builds. But there is no way, with any adjustment, that a person with an initial BMI of over 30 is ever going to be anything other than overweight or obese. Just the degree will vary.

You keep ignoring that.

 

[syntax]

So you know more than medical professionals then?



I have stated several times just on this thread that BMI is a good initial indication of a person's correct weight. I have also stated that it is a starting point for more accurate adjustments to it due to different body builds. But there is no way, with any adjustment, that a person with an initial BMI of over 30 is ever going to be anything other than overweight or obese. Just the degree will vary.

You keep ignoring that.

In this case, I absolutely did. I dont know why this would surprise you though? A medical professional definitely doesnt have all the answers and can absolutely fall out of touch with newer stuff or just not be that good on these items. TRT is something I have found a lot of South African medical professionals are fairly uneducated on or at least are basic on their treatment and understanding of it. I am not saying I know more than all medical professionals, or that my depth of knowledge on all subjects is more than theirs, but on this case, I knew more than several GP's on this topic.

I also dont ignore what you said. Your initial comments was that OP was fat, you took a basic BMI and told him he is obese. I can tell you a few months ago before surgery i was over 30 BMI, I was very far from obese. The entire point of this was that there are more accurate ways to do this, and from a scientific standpoint, we should aim for those

 

[Cosmik Debris]

In this case, I absolutely did. I dont know why this would surprise you though? A medical professional definitely doesnt have all the answers and can absolutely fall out of touch with newer stuff or just not be that good on these items. TRT is something I have found a lot of South African medical professionals are fairly uneducated on or at least are basic on their treatment and understanding of it. I am not saying I know more than all medical professionals, or that my depth of knowledge on all subjects is more than theirs, but on this case, I knew more than several GP's on this topic.

I also dont ignore what you said. Your initial comments was that OP was fat, you took a basic BMI and told him he is obese. I can tell you a few months ago before surgery i was over 30 BMI, I was very far from obese. The entire point of this was that there are more accurate ways to do this, and from a scientific standpoint, we should aim for those

OK then. Next time you have a dread disease, tell the doctors they're useless and you'll treat yourself.

 

[Crowley]

I have stated several times just on this thread that BMI is a good initial indication of a person's correct weight. I have also stated that it is a starting point for more accurate adjustments to it due to different body builds. But there is no way, with any adjustment, that a person with an initial BMI of over 30 is ever going to be anything other than overweight or obese. Just the degree will vary.

You keep ignoring that.

And when we show you somebody with a BMI of 30 that's not overweight or obese, they fall into the freak category right?

 

[syntax]

OK then. Next time you have a dread disease, tell the doctors they're useless and you'll treat yourself.

That is just an idiotic response. I specifically said that on this topic, I had more knowledge. You cannot possibly believe that a GP knows more than any medical topic than someone who walks in their office.
There are good GP's and bad, good specialists and bad. A qualification does not guarantee total competence.
We were at a fertility specialist who did some scans and stuff and told my then wife there was something odd and he wants to do exploratory surgery, that something odd was that she was pregnant....

I also think anyone worth their salt in the medical or scientific community realises that they dont know everything and that there are opportunities to learn and educate through engagement.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And when we show you somebody with a BMI of 30 that's not overweight or obese, they fall into the freak category right?

Of course. The build is not natural. BMI is used on the natural build. Not someone with an oversupply of muscle that has been carefully cultivated. You can't use the outlier as the norm.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That is just an idiotic response. I specifically said that on this topic, I had more knowledge. You cannot possibly believe that a GP knows more than any medical topic than someone who walks in their office.

If you know more than a GP who has studied for many years, why do you even bother walking into their office?

 

[LCBXX]

Fat apologists everywhere!

 

[getafix33]

Explain what that is then?

Spontaneous Pneumothorax

A spontaneous pneumothorax is the sudden onset of a collapsed lung without any apparent cause, such as a traumatic injury to the chest or a known lung disease. What is spontaneous pneumothorax?A spontaneous pneumothorax is the sudden onset of a collapsed lung without any apparent cause, such as...

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All in my 20's. Have actually had 3, first was classified as small (healed on its own) next two were large which required hospilization.
1st, doing pull ups, 2nd playing squash, 3rd doing pull ups.

 

[syntax]

If you know more than a GP who has studied for many years, why do you even bother walking into their office?

It is like talking to a brick wall. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend or even believe that a GP might not know absolutely everything. I go to a GP to get opinions and use their knowledge and experience. On this case, for TRT, they were not particularly up to date.
Why would I bother walking into their office, because I do understand that they have a broad knowledge scale but their depth might not be amazing on everything...hence the name....general practitioner.
They can help with certain items, but not with others, and they should refer.

An issue I have seen is that some of them are quite definitive in their opinions and can be dangerously wrong or not up to date.

According to you, they are infallible and we should just agree with whatever they say. On a side note, I have been prescribed augmentin numerous times despite my charts and me saying I have a penicillin allergy...but you know, we should just all accept everything completely right?

 

[Scary_Turtle]

I'm no expert but from the basic research I have done it comes down to oversupply of fat to fat cells that cause the dreaded diseases (diabetes etc).

As long as you aren't going over how much a fat cell can hold you are pretty healthy, even if you are over the bmi which is why body builders are healthy.

 

[syntax]

OK then. Next time you have a dread disease, tell the doctors they're useless and you'll treat yourself.

I will also add, that before my spinal surgery I went to see several specialists, a lot of them were actually recommending / forcing a procedure that was old and had higher long term issues than another one I saw.
The only reason I saw more was because I had done a huge amount of research and spoken to an international specialist.
So these are not just standard GP's, these are specialists who either didnt know much about the procedure i asked about or werent interested in doing it. I can almost understand the second one, but the first demonstrates that not all medical professionals are created equal (something which I thought would be common sense, but you seem to struggle with this). Had I just blindly gone with one of them, I would have had almost a year long recovery and very likely needed another procedure in 5 to 10 years.

I get that it can be infuriating for a medical professional to have to hear about some people who have done internet research and think they know everything, I get that in my industry as well. However, they should also know and have the answers to these questions instead of being arrogant and dismissive.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Spontaneous Pneumothorax

A spontaneous pneumothorax is the sudden onset of a collapsed lung without any apparent cause, such as a traumatic injury to the chest or a known lung disease. What is spontaneous pneumothorax?A spontaneous pneumothorax is the sudden onset of a collapsed lung without any apparent cause, such as...

www.chop.edu

All in my 20's. Have actually had 3, first was classified as small (healed on its own) next two were large which required hospilization.
1st, doing pull ups, 2nd playing squash, 3rd doing pull ups.

Not a norm. You're an outlier.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It is like talking to a brick wall. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend or even believe that a GP might not know absolutely everything. I go to a GP to get opinions and use their knowledge and experience. On this case, for TRT, they were not particularly up to date.
Why would I bother walking into their office, because I do understand that they have a broad knowledge scale but their depth might not be amazing on everything...hence the name....general practitioner.
They can help with certain items, but not with others, and they should refer.

An issue I have seen is that some of them are quite definitive in their opinions and can be dangerously wrong or not up to date.

According to you, they are infallible and we should just agree with whatever they say. On a side note, I have been prescribed augmentin numerous times despite my charts and me saying I have a penicillin allergy...but you know, we should just all accept everything completely right?

Maybe you should change your GP? Seems a bit hopeless.

 

[syntax]

Maybe you should change your GP? Seems a bit hopeless.

Sounds like you think you know more than a medical professional.
I mean, thats your argument / logic right? I shouldn't question them because they are more certified than me, are you more certified than a few of the GP's I have been to?

In any case, I am being petty now, the OP has sorely regretted asking his question and we are unlikely to agree on much on these subjects

 

[Pegging]

Quick background

I’m a 49 year old in pretty decent shape ( many think I’m in my mid 30’s)
Am starting to hit the weights with my 15 year old but the body ain’t what it used to be.

Please advise on good supplements to build decent muscle and some weight loss.

I’m 178cm and around 95kg’s.

There are so many products out there.

I fully understand that diet is a huge factor but am looking for something to assist.

Shot

I can't advise on supplements. but can help with motivation.

 

[InvisibleJim]

Spontaneous Pneumothorax

A spontaneous pneumothorax is the sudden onset of a collapsed lung without any apparent cause, such as a traumatic injury to the chest or a known lung disease. What is spontaneous pneumothorax?A spontaneous pneumothorax is the sudden onset of a collapsed lung without any apparent cause, such as...

www.chop.edu

All in my 20's. Have actually had 3, first was classified as small (healed on its own) next two were large which required hospilization.
1st, doing pull ups, 2nd playing squash, 3rd doing pull ups.

Given this history, it's pretty important that you get checked out by a doctor before embarking on an exercise program (if you haven't already done so.) That's the standard advice for anybody getting back into exercise but there may be certain exercises you should avoid because of the above or any other pre-existing conditions that you may have.

Technically, your age, your BMI => 30 (the pro's and cons of BMI notwithstanding) and the pre-existing condition that you have described are all risk factors that need to be managed.

By virtue of his young age, your son also falls into a 'special population' - specifically to weight training, the human skeleton is developing until the age of about 25 so lifting weights at too high an intensity before this age can last in permanent issues. So probably both of you are going to be lifting at more moderate intensities - the good news, that's probably what you would program for the muscle development that you are after rather than increasing strength.

Just on the supplements, I think you can get Vitality points for an annual consultation with a dietician (can't remember if you get a free consult or have to pay) - maybe you can do this with one who leans towards sport nutrition. But I will echo what others have said earlier that supplements are just that - making sure your diet has a sound foundation is most important.

Whey protein (without too much crap in it) is IMHO ok to help get additional protein on a daily basis at reasonable cost. I've also used BCAA drink before and during workouts which is supposed to help retaining muscle and some L-Glutamine to help with recovery. I have had high blood pressure since my mid-30's so pre-workouts and thermogenic fat burners are out for me and I probably wouldn't touch them anyway - pre-workouts in particular can be pretty hectic in terms of side effects.

Anyway, I hope that helps. Will get down from my soapbox now!