Halo 3 graphics

GavinMannion said:
My only graphical issue with Halo 3 is shown quite well in your screenshot, while everything looks awesome the blood is compeltely unrealistic and looks like it was added at the end to gore the game up a bit?

I am actually looking to see if I can turn of the blood spatter on mine because it irritates me.
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Aaaah come on gavin, you should know they can do that, and end up with an 18yr restriction, and sell 60mill USD less :p
Im just glad that there is blood, and not some dodgy "white sauce" they often use these days.
 
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I bleed Mac & Cheese! I think it could work. Lasagne wars . . .

abev said:
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To doobiwan, My comment " My only fear now is that the multiplatform releases for the ps3 arnt dragged down by the xbox, wether its power, graphics or storage related!" was not meant as flame bait but was rather a response from the previous post of tan, but hey Im guess you didnt even bother to read through the whole thing. Seems such is your nature. I was merely commenting on the comment made by some on else, and made it cleasr that it was my own thought on the matter.
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To the contrary, I make sure I read everything of yours (and tan, and NoADSL etc etc) at least 3 times. First in disbelief, second for a laugh and third to add comments to a psych thesis . . .

No, that dear sir is a definitive 100%, unrefined troll post. You posted an unsubstantiated derision of a product on a public forum. If you wanted to respond to in an unbiased fashion you would have said something more like "I hope the differences between the 360 an PS3 don't negatively affect cross platform games."

And nothing more.

You're a troll mate, go find a bridge, I've already got mine.
 
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Well I've exceeded my game budget for the month already, but I've now placed an order for Halo3 just to see what the fuss is about. Let it be known I'm not a huge supporter of the Halo franchise (as you might tell from my previous comments) so I hope you fellows who are raving on about it aren't too far off ;)
 
doobiwan said:
oh, which is to my last point. I highly advise the folks b!tching about "640p" being un-HiDef read the original thread that it was posted in, it's quite technical, very informative and also explains that Most PS3 game do the same if not worse. In fact it's the favourite way developers get 360 games to run on the PS3 at the same frame rate. Halo still runs at 720p because it's 4x anti aliased, which is the whole point. Once you AA the scene into 720p you couldn't tell the difference between a 640p source and a 720p source.
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From Joystiq --> [*Note: We define "HD" as a resolution no less than 1280x720 pixels. According to the source, Halo 3 has a native resolution of 1138x640 pixels.]
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thats from http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/28/halo-3-not-hd-runs-at-640p-pixel-counters-claim/

Halo 3 is NOT HD because it runs at 640p which is then scaled to 720p. It is Not an HD game under this description ... end of story doobiwan.

And about Halo 3 and antialiasing, please show me where you get this 4x antialiasing information... I have not seen anything that suggests this. Infact i've heard it offers no anitalaising at all. Google it or check the multiple forums on Halo 3 antialiasing ... you'll see it for yourself.

Abt the PS3 games that scale (ie. The Darkness) ... I could see clearly how low grade the Darkness was but remember these games are built up for the XBOX 360 then ported to PS3 which is why this scaling from lower resolution technique is used. I'm not aware of PS3 exclusive games using this trick.

Anyway...I'm just very surprised MS & Bungie could not run the game at a minimum 1280x720 on their flagship title .. that all, no debate ,no tricks... no argument...That's it! Are you not surprised?
 
@Tan365 - Still looks great @ 640p or whatever you are keen to bold it into. ;)
 
Response from Bungie re: resolution. Take it as you will:
One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at "640p" which isn't even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3's vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?

Naturally it's more complicated than that. In fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers - both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see - lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible - so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image.

This ability to display a full range of HDR, combined with our advanced lighting, material and postprocessing engine, gives our scenes, large and small, a compelling, convincing and ultimately "real" feeling, and at a steady and smooth frame rate, which in the end was far more important to us than the ability to display a few extra pixels. Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the "almost-720p" image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it's practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet's propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven't mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings
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ok thanx useless ... i was responding to doobiwans comments on the 720p thing etc with facts. But thanx for the comment. You rock :sick:
 
Iwojima ? what are you on about? That was discussed abt 2pages back. Please read the earlier posts.
 
Tan365 said:
Iwojima ? what are you on about? That was discussed abt 2pages back. Please read the earlier posts.
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Right, not sure how I missed that :confused:

Resisting the urge to tell you to go f*** yourself: What's with the attitude Tan365? Clearly you are here to inflame the situation if your response to my repeating something (accidentally) is to become defensive. Take a deep breath...we're not all out to get you.
 
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Tan365 said:
thats from
Halo 3 is NOT HD because it runs at 640p which is then scaled to 720p. It is Not an HD game under this description ... end of story doobiwan.

And about Halo 3 and antialiasing, please show me where you get this 4x antialiasing information... I have not seen anything that suggests this. Infact i've heard it offers no anitalaising at all. Google it or check the multiple forums on Halo 3 antialiasing ... you'll see it for yourself.

Abt the PS3 games that scale (ie. The Darkness) ... I could see clearly how low grade the Darkness was but remember these games are built up for the XBOX 360 then ported to PS3 which is why this scaling from lower resolution technique is used. I'm not aware of PS3 exclusive games using this trick.
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If you want to say it's not "True HD", fine I'm happy with that, it's still a frickin awesome game ;) And you'll have to mark off 80% of the PS3 catalogue ...

Yes, I was surprised when I heard it but reading their description of why it's like that makes sense to me, ie that they're double buffering in order to apply additional HDR etc. The lighting/shadows/reflections truly are awesome. What's annoying is that this becomes such big deal over very little, just because some folks want to hate on the game. As I've said previously, this is definitely an instance where I'd rather have 60fps, rather than "80p". (What I was trying to say was that the AA still renders to your TV at 720p, it's not like you lose 80 lines on your screen, and 80p is so small you'd be very hard pressed to notice the difference once AA upscales it to 720p)

Oh, and there is AA, tons of it, believe me. Or don't, just see for yourself. (As a point of interest, Xbox cert rules mandate a minimum of AA 2x)


Tan365 said:
Anyway...I'm just very surprised MS & Bungie could not run the game at a minimum 1280x720 on their flagship title .. that all, no debate ,no tricks... no argument...That's it! Are you not surprised?
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As I said, surprised, yes, dissapointed, no. They put gameplay first, ie 60fps. What this "issue" doesn't do is make me worry about the abilities of the 360. There are enough other gorgeous games out their to cover that base, CoD4, BF:BC, GoW, DiRT, Ace Combat, PGR4, Mass Effect etc etc.
 
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Well i've already shown what you said abt the game running at 720p is false. I proved what you said about it being HD is false. I still await your 4x antialiasing information. I cannot find anything saying Halo 3 runs at 60fps but you sling that as fact,all i find is that it is 30fps and has slight frame rate drops (IGN UK and if u google Halo 3 30fps).

You mention XBOX cert says 2x antialising as a minimum and if so wouldnt 720p be a minimum as well. Halo is not 720p and not antialiased from what i've read and you have not linked a rebuttal.

Oh you are right on one thing ... you don't lose 80p ... you actually lose 142x80 (the loss between 1280x720 and 1138x640).

doobiwan, this concludes what i know and seen of the Halo 3 graphics. This was not a comparison of anything but a fact check. The facts are the facts. Just stick to how you love the game and its gameplay, i respect. However the graphics are not anything special as i've said since arnd page 2.
 
Tan as usual you make excellent points, Im afraid its all rather in vain though, all facts hit the cheddar melt inside his head and turn to garnish.

From now on when someone asks which console to get, Im gonna tell them to get neither and that they should rather just visit this site and see the posts of doobiwan and the like for entertainment. Classic stuff, so willing to lend a laugh :sick:
 
Tan, and there's me thinking we were actually having a fairly reasonable conversation, and you go get all aggro . . . *sigh*

Tan365 said:
doobiwan, this concludes what i know and seen of the Halo 3 graphics. This was not a comparison of anything but a fact check. The facts are the facts. Just stick to how you love the game and its gameplay, i respect. However the graphics are not anything special as i've said since arnd page 2.
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I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, I'm not denying the technical details, I'm not trying to convince anyone that it is 'native' 720p, only that when the signal is upscaled from 640p to 720p, you'd be very hard pressed to notice the difference. I guess I'm just getting too technical as to why I think this is all a non issue. In short:

1. Game plays great
2. Game looks really great, but not the benchmark some were thinking it would be.

I guess what I was trying to emphasis is that I think you/your boet are doing yourselfs a disservice by writing it off for a few of the niggles before experiencing what is really great about the game. Campaign co-op, MP online, Forge. etc. (And the oh so satisfying crack of a rifle butt across the back of someone's head :D)

That's about it.
 
abev said:
Tan as usual you make excellent points, Im afraid its all rather in vain though, all facts hit the cheddar melt inside his head and turn to garnish.

From now on when someone asks which console to get, Im gonna tell them to get neither and that they should rather just visit this site and see the posts of doobiwan and the like for entertainment. Classic stuff, so willing to lend a laugh :sick:
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By all means, I'm happy to oblige.

Referring and quoting your (and similar) posts have so far convinced at least three people I know personally to buy 360's, and there's a number of forumites I've chatted with over XB Live! that have similar stories.

if your friends need any assistance they can pm me. I can also get them great deals if they want to trade in their PS3's.
 
Its not surprising that my posts have made people want to buy the xbox,
as I have never been afraid of saying what a great machine it is, that it has a wonderful live experience and tons of great games.
I hope they are all enjoying them thoroughly, good for them.

All I know is that I am happy with my ps3, infact It has exceeded my expectations immensly.
Do you remember my first ever post on this forum?
I came here asking which system to buy, I wanted the ps3 but I was scared of the R6500 price tag, you will also remember that I was worried about settling. All in all I am glad I have a ps3 over an xbox, whether I won it or not is irrevelant, as many of you know I was pretty much on my way to the shop when I recieved the call that I had won.
I am more than happy with my console and I look forward to all the great releases to come as well as the long and blossoming life ahead of my prefered console.

Peace Out
 
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abev said:
Its not surprising that my posts have made people want to buy the xbox,
as I have never been afraid of saying what a great machine it is, that it has a wonderful live experience and tons of great games.
I hope they are all enjoying them thoroughly, good for them.

All I know is that I am happy with my ps3, infact It has exceeded my expectations immensly.
Do you remember my first ever post on this forum?
I came here asking which system to buy, I wanted the ps3 but I was scared of the R6500 price tag, you will also remember that I was worried about settling. All in all I am glad I have a ps3 over an xbox, whether I won it or not is irrevelant, as many of you know I was pretty much on my way to the shop when I recieved the call that I had won.
I am more than happy with my console and I look forward to all the great releases to come as well as the long and blossoming life ahead of my prefered console.

Peace Out
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On a lighter note, which games have you been playing on your PS3?
 
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