Mila
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Hawks bring down cash heists by 60%
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ToAsTeD
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More good news! 
Chicken Boo
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relax, I'm here.
So... 70% of their work was a waste of time and resources.
And I'm not sure any decline in heists could be attributed to any one thing, it's not like the banks haven't been taking their own measures.
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Very true.
I won't brag about a 29% conviction rate - or is it the new "acceptable SA standard"?
And I assume the figures they so proudly and boldly state is more trustworthy than the Crime stats released by police? Personally I'd trust a skelm with a knife more than the stats / figures - at least I can see the skelm!
You know what's quirky ? Why when anything is shown to be improving the negative people always claim there's a conspiracy ? Is this how the world works in your minds ? Everything is always destined to get worse ? Improvement is impossible ?
How terribly sad and hopeless. You must be miserable to write off any chance of a better world as a fantasy. What bitter, sad people. How do you sleep at night ?
How terribly sad and hopeless. You must be miserable to write off any chance of a better world as a fantasy. What bitter, sad people. How do you sleep at night ?
killadoob
Honorary Master
So john you think a 29% conviction is good? You think that 27000 cases solved in 4 months is the norm?
Your eyes are closed that is the problem i think. For every 100 criminals they are letting 70 off. No that seems normal i guess.
Your eyes are closed that is the problem i think. For every 100 criminals they are letting 70 off. No that seems normal i guess.
McSack
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... especially considering that their predecessors had a something like a 90% conviction rate or more
Mike Hoxbig
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Law enforcement do not convict suspects, the courts do. You can't just assume that everyone who is arrested is a criminal.
What if the 29% convicted turned out to be 80% of all criminals?
In the Therooster's eyes, anyone that criticises the ANC and their lack of motivation to fight crime and corruption is a dirty whitey (see his blog Kill-All-Whiteys).
I wonder how many posts it will take for his next banning.
Great to see them doing well in the fight against crime, and they wont get shut down, UNLESS they start booking the ANC bigwig scumbags.
McSack
Executive Member
Prrt of the reason the DSO was initially set up was exactly for this purpose... the idea being that a multi-disciplinary unit would work closely with the courts in ensuring proper processed which wouls lead to convictions that would stick
I have no idea if its good. The article says heists are down 60 %. Car theft is down 50% since 2005, murder is down 44% sine 1994. This is always something to feel positive about and to encourage. But instead some here want to belittle any achievements and moan. Nothing gets done in a group where everyone is against the project at hand and thinks it's pointless and impossible. If we want our country to tackle these social issues some change in attitude would be needed to start, no ?
Loser "can't do it" attitude won't help us f-all.
Loser "can't do it" attitude won't help us f-all.
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killadoob
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Yes john rather act like there is no crime.
I can imagine you sitting next to mbeki when he declared crime is not a problem for some reason. If we want to tackle issues changing our attitude will do nothing but make it worse. Changing our attitude will not help the justice system convict more criminals will it?
Good lord if changing our attitude is the main issue then our problems are solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yippee for attitude change. The criminals have never come up against such a force. Criminals thought the hawks were good, wait until they see what changing attitudes will do
Batman and superman better watch out changing attitude is in town.
I can imagine you sitting next to mbeki when he declared crime is not a problem for some reason
. If we want to tackle issues changing our attitude will do nothing but make it worse. Changing our attitude will not help the justice system convict more criminals will it?Good lord if changing our attitude is the main issue then our problems are solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yippee for attitude change. The criminals have never come up against such a force. Criminals thought the hawks were good, wait until they see what changing attitudes will do
Batman and superman better watch out changing attitude is in town.
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LOL @ killa
The rooster got PWNED
The rooster got PWNED
Please show me where I have ever said crime is not a problem. I have never said that rendering your entire post into drivel.
But in the same train of thought how is "captain moan" and his sidekick "peccimist boy" helping do anything about crime ?
But I suppose in their defence they were never really trying.
But in the same train of thought how is "captain moan" and his sidekick "peccimist boy" helping do anything about crime ?
But I suppose in their defence they were never really trying.
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Chicken Boo
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You haven't outright said crime is not a problem, but you haven't admitted it is - you just flout unsourced statistics attempting to show how reduced it is...
In their defence, they're not the police force or the department of justice. What are YOU doing about crime besides not admitting to it?
I have over and over said we have almost 50 murders a day. How is that not a problem ? I just don't like it when that stat is used to try and make the argument that we're a failed or hopeless state now because we gave black people human rights. It was always high just not recorded. Its lower now. This is my argument. If you must go to its heart I reject with evidence the notion that giving black people freedom correlates to them being murderers. In regards to do we have a crime problem I think that's obvious. Does it affect the wealthy and tourists as much as the poor ? Hell, no.
Chicken Boo
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The only person correlating the murder rate with the freedom of black people is you. That says something loud and clear. Most people would first attribute high crime rates to an incapable justice system, incompetent police and judicial workings, and corruption. But not you, for you it's all.. apartheid's fault.
You are an absolute fool. And a poorly disguised racist. Apartheid is long over, time to start dealing with that don't you think?Putting words in my mouth again. I hate when people parrot lazy liberal ideas at me and claim them to be my own. When the f did I say blame apartheid ? I am taking issue with the cynical assumptions that high crime is here because if not policed in a fascist manner our people regress into savage murderers. Lack of police does not make people murder to the levels we see here. Its more complicated than that.
Besides, the types of murders we experience would and always did happen regardless what police force we had. Most murders in this country are carried out by people so drunk they wouldn't let judge dread stop them from stabbing whoever pissed them off.
And call me over pragmatic but how is changing the justice system anything more than dealing with the symptom rather than the cause ? Crime must be fought proactively not reactively if you want to make a dent.
Besides, the types of murders we experience would and always did happen regardless what police force we had. Most murders in this country are carried out by people so drunk they wouldn't let judge dread stop them from stabbing whoever pissed them off.
And call me over pragmatic but how is changing the justice system anything more than dealing with the symptom rather than the cause ? Crime must be fought proactively not reactively if you want to make a dent.
Chicken Boo
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JohnGalt said:
No one's putting words in your mouth but you.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?235119-Judges-let-rapist-go-free
Just one example. Or are you suggesting our justice system is entirely competent and able to handle crime, but for some reason just... doesn't? What reason would you suggest that is? Alcohol? Why don't you show some credible sources showing how alcohol contributes to SA crime rates, because it sounds to me like you're clutching at straws hidden pretty far up your ass.
What sort of proactive crime techniques are you advising? Electrified razor wire? Car trackers? Multiple armed guards accompanying cash-in-transit vehicles? Are these reactive measures in your opinion?