Hermanus riots

Mephisto_Helix said:
Gotta love that social media is full of swines supporting this fully and actually glad it's going down this way. And before the silent ones pip up about how it's only a few, go jump. One topic which had 650 odd replies had a healthy 80% for not against. Sh*thole living up to it's status ......
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There really has to be something wrong with you. Who are these silent ones?
 
Hermanus CPF update 27/03/18 at 14h30 : The MEC is addressing the crowd at the Zwelihle sports grounds, we await outcome. Crowd building up in Hawston is unrelated to land invasion situation in Hermanus. SAPS are monitoring the situation closely.

Please refrain from posting unconfirmed information. It is leading to panic in all communities including in Hawston where a crowd is building up. Everything, at this stage, is quiet.
 
Terribly sad, this from Wikipedia:

"Hermanus is a town on the southern coast of the Western Cape province of South Africa. It is famous for southern right whale watching during the southern winter and spring and is a popular retirement location. The whales can be seen from the cliffs in the town centre as early as June and usually depart in early-December"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermanus
 
maumau said:
Terribly sad, this from Wikipedia:

"Hermanus is a town on the southern coast of the Western Cape province of South Africa. It is famous for southern right whale watching during the southern winter and spring and is a popular retirement location. The whales can be seen from the cliffs in the town centre as early as June and usually depart in early-December"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermanus
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Wife and I had discussion some time ago and thought of retiring there, well not going to happen.
 
aleksandar said:
Wife and I had discussion some time ago and thought of retiring there, well not going to happen.
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It's a lovely town and the people are very friendly and welcoming. And I mean from every community and walk of life. Don't be deterred by this incident, it could and might just happen anywhere.
 
Hermanus CPF update 27/03/18 at 15h30: meeting over. Crowd dispersing peacefully. SAPS are monitoring. Will update if and when anything changes
 
Classy ANC, cheap point scoring at a time like this.

NEWS UPDATE: ***ANC Statement on the Land protests in Hermanus***

ANC in the Western Cape condemns in the strongest possible terms the destruction of critical infrastructure and violence accompanying the community protests for land in Hermanus in the Overberg Region in Western Cape.

The leaders of these protests have acknowledged that certain elements who are not part of these legitimate community protests took advantage of the protests and set alight libraries and police stations and private vehicles and as the ANC we ask the law enforcement to deal with these elements decisively and bring all responsible to book.

The ANC however would like to state it categorically that we support the community call for prime land to build integrated and quality houses.

This is the cause we have been fighting for over and against a DA government that fears integration. We have watched over the period of the DA's control of the municipality in coastal towns like Hermanus, Caledon, Grabouw, a troubling phenomenon that has made these towns meaner and more divided.

The DA municipalities have been relentlessly selling off municipal land to make room for silos of luxury safe-deposit boxes across these towns further entrenching the historic division between where the rich and where the poor live.

As the ANC we have seen emergence of investment units, sold to overseas and local elites and never inhabited for most of the year, substituting community for vacancy. This means the more we build, the more our cities are emptied, producing dead swathes of zombie enclaves.

These moves by the municipality have created deep resentments within communities where private developers are left unchecked, going off the rails with local leaders misguided into allowing a great mortgage mirage. These schemes have cause irreparable harm to our towns and cities.

All DA-runned Municipalities, led by the City of Cape Town have been allowing this selling off of municipal land to private developers to balloon beyond all reason, in the hope of creaming off the fat of developers’ profits for the so called public good.

ANC calls local authorities in Hermanus to start being pro-active in their manner of governing and not allow their authority to be usurped by an illicit relationship between the DA and private developers.

All development must have a bias of creating a more inclusive Hermanus not one that entrenches the divisions of the past.

The Mayor and local leaders must do everything in the interest of their own people and must always consult with them for any development in their town.

As the ANC we also call on the Land Imbizos to begin in earnest so that our people can have a sense of timelines and land allocations for inclusive low-cost housing for themselves and their children.
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Fulcrum29 said:
That is where he has one important fact wrong, read this on Khayelitsha for example, read everything.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/place/khayelitsha-township

Forceful repossession, no. Every informal (or temporary) settlement has a story prior becoming a 'township'. Many facts which are related to rapid growth.

Land grabs are ‘new’ opportunities.
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So I read your article, resisting the urge to skim through it, under the impression that it was somehow relevant to Gardee's tweet. After readingit and then looking inot the cases he cited, I've come to the conclusion that these are completely different case. The Soweto example although resulting from a land invasion can be easily dismissed by your rapid urban migration comment and I'd much rather not deal with it or the Khayelitsha case since they both carry too much pre-1994 baggage. Msholozi Village though. also mentioned in Gardee's tweet is a prie example of land invaders turned formal residents. The land was invaded in 2009 by about 3000 people.

"Go ahead, arrest me, but when I come out of jail this is exactly where I'm returning," the man said.
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https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2009-08-17-premier-slams-land-invaders/

The long and short of it, they came , they settled, complained about being ignored and the government formalized their settlements so they can provide services.

https://mpumalanganews.co.za/236352/formalization-of-msholozi-continues/

The invasions have been continuing up to as late as January this year yet this outcry was nowhere to be seen.

https://mpumalanganews.co.za/330064/illegal-land-grab-resurfaces-msholozi/


And no, grabs are really nothing new. Here's a case from 2001 of land invasion threats no different from those Abahlali Basemjondolo Shack Dwellers Association make.

https://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Land-invasion-threat-in-Mpuma-20010527

Its unfortunate that my example has involvement of South Africa's resident special child.
 
SammyD said:
So I read your article, resisting the urge to skim through it, under the impression that it was somehow relevant to Gardee's tweet. After readingit and then looking inot the cases he cited, I've come to the conclusion that these are completely different case. The Soweto example although resulting from a land invasion can be easily dismissed by your rapid urban migration comment and I'd much rather not deal with it or the Khayelitsha case since they both carry too much pre-1994 baggage. Msholozi Village though. also mentioned in Gardee's tweet is a prie example of land invaders turned formal residents. The land was invaded in 2009 by about 3000 people.



https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2009-08-17-premier-slams-land-invaders/

The long and short of it, they came , they settled, complained about being ignored and the government formalized their settlements so they can provide services.

https://mpumalanganews.co.za/236352/formalization-of-msholozi-continues/

The invasions have been continuing up to as late as January this year yet this outcry was nowhere to be seen.

https://mpumalanganews.co.za/330064/illegal-land-grab-resurfaces-msholozi/


And no, grabs are really nothing new. Here's a case from 2001 of land invasion threats no different from those Abahlali Basemjondolo Shack Dwellers Association make.

https://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Land-invasion-threat-in-Mpuma-20010527

Its unfortunate that my example has involvement of South Africa's resident special child.
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What is often not mentioned is that very many of these informal settlements did not exist prior to 1994.
 
SammyD said:
https://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Land-invasion-threat-in-Mpuma-20010527

Its unfortunate that my example has involvement of South Africa's resident special child.
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From the last link:

“How can the so-called owner sell land without him being here? This is wrong because the land had been earmarked for the development of the of P166 road and besides, if we allow such land invasions to continue in this place, where will schools, clinics and other facilities be built,” asked a furious resident, Zweli Nkosi (not his real name to protect his identity).

Mpumalanga News learnt that sellers of the land which includes prominent leaders in the community, charge land seekers varying prizes from R20 and R50 for registration purposes, plus between R500 and R1 500 for the stands. “Currently there is a squabble among them on a fixed cost,” he said.

So it is government land earmarked for infrastructure but somebody is selling it?!
They are basically exploiting their own people and ruining future infrastructure plans.
 
Spizz said:
It's a lovely town and the people are very friendly and welcoming. And I mean from every community and walk of life. Don't be deterred by this incident, it could and might just happen anywhere.
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Lovely place, really like it, wife has some colleagues working there.
Idea was to move there when kids go to uni however with recent developments our plans will have to change a bit.

Still do not understand how you can burn your own library....
 
Fulcrum29 said:
The EFF has not acknowledged anything, the DA placed the blame on them,

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...anus-thwarted-says-municipal-manager-20180323



Benet Molefe also said,

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-03-26-hermanus-tense-after-land-grab-thwarted/



all this while this is looming,

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/20...on-to-stop-illegal-land-invasions_a_23396055/



I don't know who bussed the people in, the media houses only started to widely report on this since yesterday so perhaps they will be more investigative to come up with the answers. Take notice, the EFF cannot be directly involved, it will compromise on their elections (via IEC), however the BLF seems to get away with incitement…
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So basically other than the DA pointing fingers, there is no evidence that this is EFF orchestrated. Also, I asked for statements from the community stating they are acting on the EFF's orders and made provision for this to involve underhand tactics. None of those articles give any answers. I mean sure, the invaders may be EFF affiliated but that by no means they were mandated by the EFF to do so. ANC supporters have been invading land since before the EFF was formed, does that mean that those were ANC sanctioned. And I've also asked why this would suddenly be a thing years after the EFF made this policy.

And before anyone asks, no I'm not affiliated with the EFF or any other political party.
 
aleksandar said:
From the last link:

“How can the so-called owner sell land without him being here? This is wrong because the land had been earmarked for the development of the of P166 road and besides, if we allow such land invasions to continue in this place, where will schools, clinics and other facilities be built,” asked a furious resident, Zweli Nkosi (not his real name to protect his identity).

Mpumalanga News learnt that sellers of the land which includes prominent leaders in the community, charge land seekers varying prizes from R20 and R50 for registration purposes, plus between R500 and R1 500 for the stands. “Currently there is a squabble among them on a fixed cost,” he said.

So it is government land earmarked for infrastructure but somebody is selling it?!
They are basically exploiting their own people and ruining future infrastructure plans.
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Land grabbers have taken the land and then selling it to people.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
It is not only cheap, but it reeks of hypocrisy.
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Indeed.

I really can't think of any areas sold of to developers in Hermanus over the last few years. There have been an absolute shed load of erf's built on and developed by individuals, but open land sites? I can think of a sea view block of flats beside the church being touted and a hospital extension (cancer care) near old folks home, but other than that, the RDP houses between Zwelihle and Mount Pleasant is the only building going on by developers I can think of.

Hermanus has become really expensive to rent a family home and places are as rare as hens teeth. A lot of poepl have moved their from all over the country and I spoke to someone recently that the population has grown over a few years 3 fold to nearly 100k. As such, plots are being built on and rent prices are sky rocketing. It's a problem for all sections of society. Social media has long bemoaned the rising prices for all communities.
 
SammyD said:
Land grabbers have taken the land and then selling it to people.
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The lady who works for us lives in Zwelihle and rents her shack from a 'company'.

R500 a month it was when we last talked about it a couple of years ago.
 
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