nauseous_monkey
Expert Member
1.) PAGAD was an Islamic organization which tried to enforce their own moral values onto others. They went about like vigilantes and inevitably became terrorists. No one can take the law into their own hands, simply because their morality might not fit reality nor the constitution. They had good intentions and that is important to note... but their intentions were directly derived from their religion. The Quran says homosexuality is wrong and thus they went about bombing gay clubs. The Religion is thus the problem.
2.) Muslims globally protested violently at Danish embassies. Danish flags were being burned. Islamic leaders openly put up a reward for anyone that could bring them the heads of the cartoonists. Many of the cartoonists are still under protection and in hiding as their lives are still endangered globally. A open Islamic war was declared (once again). The Islamic world was in uproar and it was very very violent. The global freedom of press has never been the same after the incident. The religion is the problem.
3.)Actually having done research on the terrorists in the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks and all other related attacks it has been found that they were from Middle class families from Saudi and Else where in Europe and the Middle East. Islamic Extremism knows no boundaries. BTW not too long ago a White American (USA) Muslim openly joined Al Qaeda and is now a wanted terrorist.
Once again the Religion is the problem.
4.) 9/11 having been staged is something that I am not willing to debate with you. I also agree that the fact that there has been no court case is suspicious, but unless you have not noticed they are now planning to convict some of the Al Qaeda terrorists involved in International Criminal Court. Loose Change/Zeitgeist and all those conspiracy theory movies have not conclusively proven anything as well. When it comes down to the hard facts... conspiracies just don't cut it.
I think that you know enough to put up a conversation at this point, but I think you have not spent enough time going through the issues. I was also convinced that the US was the evil guy... once you start realizing it is more complicated than what Zeitgeist projects then your eyes truly open.
I would like to add that before 9/11 Muslim Extremism was evident globally. The Middle East was full of terrorist groups which were blowing things up for Allah. PAGAD also existed pre-9/11. Actually most Islamic terrorist networks have been around long before 9/11. It is only after 9/11 that it became a issue that the west had to address, thus we had more media focus on it and as a result you might think it was manufactured over night.
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