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kissingmybbgoodbye
Expert Member
If they treated their employees better and offered career possibilities and better earnings potential maybe the good employees would have stayed on, but no $%^& if you're not in senior management they threat you like dirt and will not pay you for your skills (speaking out of experience)
Shadow Dragon
Well-Known Member
geez i wonder why the schools aren't providing the proper education...
IAMUSER
Active Member
Now this is my favourite part!!! :
Agreed, why do I have to study more and know more if I am not going to be paid for it. 
spykoss
Active Member
The real situation...
Well, to the defense of the article - I'd say it's not really a University or School problem. One of the biggest setbacks in the sector is that unlike industries such as Veterinarian Sciences and Eco-Friendly Sciences, people don't do it for the interest (or 'love' as ts usually called) but rather coz it's what their marks allowed them to do or coz they have a distant uncle who makes R20k a month.
What I'm saying basicly, is that IT is a very involved subject and at some point, in order to succeed, you have to have a passion for it.
Now, as someone who's studyin IT (MCSE), I have alota classmates who might pass at the end of this year but I wouldn't hire them even if they paid me!...Y? coz even though they got 90% for their MS Active Directory exam, they know absolutely nothing about Active Directory.
These people are the ones that shine a bad light on the rest of us passionate ones and who actually get upset when we read an article about how the JSE $crashed - again coz that decreases the respect our local IT profesionals get in the global community.
So what's the solution? Don't force people to go into IT just cause theres a so-called 30,000 headcount shortage - what you do here is welcome 3,000,000 people to IT and in reality, on 3% of those people are actually employable.
To the goverment and all those seeking a solution, heres my suggestion (hate it or love it):
ICT (amongst other things) has no colour, don't force it upon us black people - those who have an interest in it will follow their passion and all the white people who (majority) have a whole more experience in IT than us, welcome them with open-arms - let them be our guides and hopefully we'll be able to become stronger IT professionals.
Wel, thats what I've got to say...
P.S. To all the IT techies at the JSE, keep your heads up boys and girls!
Well, to the defense of the article - I'd say it's not really a University or School problem. One of the biggest setbacks in the sector is that unlike industries such as Veterinarian Sciences and Eco-Friendly Sciences, people don't do it for the interest (or 'love' as ts usually called) but rather coz it's what their marks allowed them to do or coz they have a distant uncle who makes R20k a month.
What I'm saying basicly, is that IT is a very involved subject and at some point, in order to succeed, you have to have a passion for it.
Now, as someone who's studyin IT (MCSE), I have alota classmates who might pass at the end of this year but I wouldn't hire them even if they paid me!
...Y? coz even though they got 90% for their MS Active Directory exam, they know absolutely nothing about Active Directory.These people are the ones that shine a bad light on the rest of us passionate ones and who actually get upset when we read an article about how the JSE $crashed - again coz that decreases the respect our local IT profesionals get in the global community.
So what's the solution? Don't force people to go into IT just cause theres a so-called 30,000 headcount shortage - what you do here is welcome 3,000,000 people to IT and in reality, on 3% of those people are actually employable.
To the goverment and all those seeking a solution, heres my suggestion (hate it or love it):
ICT (amongst other things) has no colour, don't force it upon us black people - those who have an interest in it will follow their passion and all the white people who (majority) have a whole more experience in IT than us, welcome them with open-arms - let them be our guides and hopefully we'll be able to become stronger IT professionals.
Wel, thats what I've got to say...
P.S. To all the IT techies at the JSE, keep your heads up boys and girls!
OhGats
Senior Member
I wonder how many qualified white guys see these ads looking for skills and dont even bother applying because of AA.
Turiko
Banned
I concur- couldn't agree more
Turiko
Banned
friedpiggy
Expert Member
Spykoss. Nicely said mate. Where I'm at now, we honestly dont give a flying fig about the colour of your skin, its skill and ability that get you accepted or treated like an outsider.
The problem is to a large extent also to do with AA/BEE. IT has traditionally been one of those industries that hasnt complied too well and is now being targeted. The problem with that is that you now in a situation where some of the highly skilled people are leaving the country as they cannot find work and then there is nobody to replace them as the school system is out of whack. Why not do as Spykos says and leave the sodding industry alone. as the new AA people come in they can be given real training by the guys who have been there for years, as opposed to the book knowledge they have from college.
The problem is to a large extent also to do with AA/BEE. IT has traditionally been one of those industries that hasnt complied too well and is now being targeted. The problem with that is that you now in a situation where some of the highly skilled people are leaving the country as they cannot find work and then there is nobody to replace them as the school system is out of whack. Why not do as Spykos says and leave the sodding industry alone. as the new AA people come in they can be given real training by the guys who have been there for years, as opposed to the book knowledge they have from college.
dotnerd
Well-Known Member
You have got to love these topics!
Where i am now, the manager actually encourages the newcomers to brain dump their MS exams. Which in the end leaves everyone ****ed over cause a rough 90% of the staff don't know diddly squat! It all comes down to the few that actually understand what they are doing and actually opened a book or two. This is happening everywhere and contributes negatively to not only the direct work environment but also to the state of our nation. (hence the article)
Ive been in the job market for a few months again and i have literally had well over 70 phone calls of recruitment agencies offering me positions all over the world. I don't like saying this but im a very high skilled individual and people are willing to pay for that. I also have to add that ive never really come across a company that arent interested purely cause of skin colour. I guess if your skill is in need they dont really care that much, but that probably depends per company.
Before anyone asks, im a Wintel Platform Engineer/Architect and the companies mentioned are mainly in the Fortune 500 list....... yes in africa
Where i am now, the manager actually encourages the newcomers to brain dump their MS exams. Which in the end leaves everyone ****ed over cause a rough 90% of the staff don't know diddly squat! It all comes down to the few that actually understand what they are doing and actually opened a book or two. This is happening everywhere and contributes negatively to not only the direct work environment but also to the state of our nation. (hence the article)
Ive been in the job market for a few months again and i have literally had well over 70 phone calls of recruitment agencies offering me positions all over the world. I don't like saying this but im a very high skilled individual and people are willing to pay for that. I also have to add that ive never really come across a company that arent interested purely cause of skin colour. I guess if your skill is in need they dont really care that much, but that probably depends per company.
Before anyone asks, im a Wintel Platform Engineer/Architect and the companies mentioned are mainly in the Fortune 500 list....... yes in africa
francoislr
Expert Member
Never mind internet for IT, there is so much in every field to be learned from the internet. So rephrase, when internet prices drops, every field, the people, everyone benefits...Internet should be a basic human right!