Thanks.
One I would immediately fault is their handling of the daughter - kids should not be questioned without an adult present.
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One I would immediately fault is their handling of the daughter - kids should not be questioned without an adult present.
The daughter was not in the car at the time, she was waiting at her school for her father to pick her up
In this instance the captain acted correctly, based on Mr Fungai actions
It is unfortunate that this had to happen, but the captains actions were by no means racist.
In this instance the captain acted correctly, based on Mr Fungai actions
It is unfortunate that this had to happen, but the captains actions were by no means racist.
Then it is unclear where the directive came from. As far as one remembers, it made history inasmuchas that the clairity was incredible, that one may not shoot at a person who is running away.
found it...
http://www.search.gov.za/info/search.jsp?qa=1&qt=1&q=deadly+force&rps=20&rsm=true&s=true&st=b
The New s49
(1) For the purposes of this section-
(a) ‘arrestor’ means any person authorized under this Act to arrest or assist in arresting a suspect; and
(b) ‘suspect’ means any person in respect of whom an arrestor has or had a reasonable suspicion that such person is committing or has committed an offence
(2) If any arrestor attempts to arrest a suspect and the suspect resists the attempt, or flees, or resists the attempt and flees, when it is clear that an attempt to arrest him or her is being made, and the suspect cannot be arrested without the use of force, the arrestor may, in order to effect the arrest, use such force as may be reasonably necessary and proportional in the circumstances to overcome the resistance or to prevent the suspect from fleeing: Provided that the arrestor is justified in this in terms of this section is using deadly force that is intended or is likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm to a suspect, only if he or she believes on reasonable grounds –
(c) that the force is immediately necessary for the purposes of protecting the arrestor, any person lawfully assisting the arrestor or any other person from imminent or future death or grievous bodily harm;
(d) that there is a substantial risk that the suspect will cause imminent or future death or grievous bodily harm if the arrest is delayed; or
(e) that the offence for which the arrest is sought is in progress and is of a forcible or serious nature and involves the use of life-threatening violence or a strong likelihood that it will cause grievous bodily harm.
highlights are Zings own.
Zing interprets this as one had better be bloody sure before shooting someone in the back that ones actions are defendable in a court of law.
http://www.search.gov.za/info/search.jsp?qa=1&qt=1&q=deadly+force&rps=20&rsm=true&s=true&st=b
The New s49
(1) For the purposes of this section-
(a) ‘arrestor’ means any person authorized under this Act to arrest or assist in arresting a suspect; and
(b) ‘suspect’ means any person in respect of whom an arrestor has or had a reasonable suspicion that such person is committing or has committed an offence
(2) If any arrestor attempts to arrest a suspect and the suspect resists the attempt, or flees, or resists the attempt and flees, when it is clear that an attempt to arrest him or her is being made, and the suspect cannot be arrested without the use of force, the arrestor may, in order to effect the arrest, use such force as may be reasonably necessary and proportional in the circumstances to overcome the resistance or to prevent the suspect from fleeing: Provided that the arrestor is justified in this in terms of this section is using deadly force that is intended or is likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm to a suspect, only if he or she believes on reasonable grounds –
(c) that the force is immediately necessary for the purposes of protecting the arrestor, any person lawfully assisting the arrestor or any other person from imminent or future death or grievous bodily harm;
(d) that there is a substantial risk that the suspect will cause imminent or future death or grievous bodily harm if the arrest is delayed; or
(e) that the offence for which the arrest is sought is in progress and is of a forcible or serious nature and involves the use of life-threatening violence or a strong likelihood that it will cause grievous bodily harm.
highlights are Zings own.
Zing interprets this as one had better be bloody sure before shooting someone in the back that ones actions are defendable in a court of law.
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Then why was the little girl interrogated and without a parent or guardian present?
So, if I drive into a shopping centre at the time of a hijacking, I'm automatically a suspect?
dlk001
Executive Member
"He said to me 'Get out the car or you will end up like those other two guys'," said Fungai.
OMG, I sure Fungai must have seen his life flashing by. Unfortunate and unnecessary. I'd never recover easily from this.
"I said to them that the handcuffs are too tight. I was told that these are handcuffs, not bracelets," he said.
Why this treatment from a trained people? Totally unnecessary.
OMG, I sure Fungai must have seen his life flashing by. Unfortunate and unnecessary. I'd never recover easily from this.
"I said to them that the handcuffs are too tight. I was told that these are handcuffs, not bracelets," he said.
Why this treatment from a trained people? Totally unnecessary.
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no but if u drive in so close and then try and reverse your looking quite suspect...
not that is in anyway fair... but in the circumstances.. if i was the family of the lady being hijacked and she died... i would want the police to check every1 that could possibly be involved.
Then check every1 parked in immediate area of the car the lady was driving.
I want to ask you a question, if Fungai, had been white do you think he would have been treated as a suspect? My question is just to try and show you that this is purely a case of racial profiling.
and im trying to say that in that possition any cop would have pulled him over.
yes he was black....sure that doesnt make him guilty of the crime that happened... but how does the cop know this? should he just let every1 go on with their daily lives? no he needs to asses the situation.
2 black dudes tried to hijack this black woman's car.
he knows that they could poss have another mate their with a car... he sees a single black man in a car, trying to reverse from the scene... he stopped him and held him for questioning.
i think that he handled that well...im sorry for the dude.. but its a case of wrong place wrong time.
sure if it was a non black person in the car it might not have happened... but then u goto look at the situation again...how many times have you heard of mixed race highjacker teams? (now i know that sounds like im saying there are no white/coloured hijackers....but im not... im just stating that there are no MIXED race teams that i have heard of)
either or... im soz that dude had a bad day and his daughter had 2 wait late and got badly interrogated by cops...but he could easily have not shot those hijackers (like some people have said...) and they could have tried to run and hijacked HIS car and killed him...trying to make an escape...
can u imagine his daughters trauma then?
mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Anyone who arms themselves with a deadly weapon to be used in a criminal activity effectively is saying for the world to hear - I WILL KILL THE INNOCENT... and revoke any rights they have as a human.
If the reservist had been black would you have thought it was racial profiling? My question is just to try and show you that this is purely a case of racial profiling, on your part.
This is a slippery slope to go down and utterly pointless.
I am pretty sure he would have, if the hijackers were white. I am pretty sure Mr Fungai was not the only black person in the parking lot or in the shopping centre, if he was a racist, he would have started arresting left right and centre.
But, the hijackers where black, Mr Fungai, unfortunately drove into a situation, and because he reserved, it was assumed he was part of it. a Crappy assumption if you ask me, but to bring race in it, please, you just want to up your forum stats
It is done by both white and black cops, that does not make it right.
I have been a victim of it many times when I was driving a golf, always getting puuled over and having my ownership of the car closely scrutenised. Whichever way you guys try to justify it, it is not right.
My only wish is that it happens to you, oh wait, it does. If you are white you are automatically a racist, do you like that?
Strange it does not bother you that a black man, hijacked a white women, thats probably acceptable, and never racist, although, I can bet a lot of black people in fancy motors in that parking lot, but oh heavan forbid, someone tried to do something, and accidently arrested someone of the master race
My point is that you have no reason to believe it was racial profiling other than your own racist perceptions. Hence it is utterly pointless as nothing anyone can say will change your mind.
Believe it if you will, but keep it mind that it is just your belief and not necessarily based in reality.
Clearly you are one of those that dont read previous posts to understand the context.