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Fudzy said:
Hang on, you can't play the what if game because it's not based on fact. That's according to DJ anyway.
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*sigh* exactly my point. :rolleyes:

DJ took the direct approach. I instead tried the subtle approach. I tried to demonstrate to you that the "what if" scenario works both ways and is therefore not a valid position.
 
porchrat said:
DJ took the direct approach. I instead tried the subtle approach. I tried to demonstrate to you that the "what if" scenario works both ways and is therefore not a valid position.
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I'm not sure I follow?

EDIT: BTW please stop editing your posts so quickly.

What exactly does demonstrating that the "what if" scenario work both ways in concluding facts?
 
Fudzy said:
You are asking me repeat myself now for about the third time. Removing certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits would be a lot more riskier and A LOT less common than circumcision.

There are health benefits associated with circumcision. YES, none of these have any benefit on babies but later in life I think they could. When you're not circumcised you have to be more diligent about cleaning properly and more frequently than if you nto not circumcised. Do you think your mid teen child is going to opt for surgery on his penis? How guilty would you feel if he fell off the rails, contracted AIDS and gave women cervical cancer? Extreme situation I know but I'm just highlighting a point here.
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Ignoring the ease at which nipples can be removed, and that a toe amputation is a quick in and out procedure, what does the commonality of a procedure have to do with its effectiveness? :confused:

EDIT: oh snap, porchrat.

And your argument about cleaning is going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Really what you're saying is it should be chopped off because it has to be cleaned properly. Heavens no - remove the anuses of single-ply wipers then too. Should we also regulate body hair growth and its locations too? These also become finicky little infection-hounds later on in life.

Sorry ma'am, but you have a hairy vagina. Amputation seems the only logical route. We just can't trust you to clean it...
 
Fudzy said:
Great, would you mind sharing how long the procedure took, how much it cost and what the healing process was like?
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My circumcision was part of the Xhosa compulsory initiation tradition.

- The circumcision procedure done by the traditional sergeant took less than 2 seconds. It was so quick I felt no pain at all.

- The pain starts about 2 days later and continues until end of the first week. During this period, the nurse dresses the wound at least 3 times a day. Most pain is during undressing / dressing the wound. Most swelling happens in the first 3-5 days.

- After first week, its mostly minor pain and it takes 3 weeks for the wound to completely heal if you follow the right procedure as defined by the tradition.

I have 2 friends who went the private hospital route. They told me the procedure involved a local anaesthetic but I’m not sure how the circumcision is done. However, I know they were discharged on the same day. In my observation, the healing process seemed to be similar to that of my traditional route. Only difference is that they are supplied with pain tablets. It took them 2-3 weeks to completely heal.

EDIT: OH, the cost of the Xhosa circumcision is a bottle of Royal Oak brandy to the traditional sergeant. LOL
 
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porchrat said:
Nope removing a nipple is far easier than removing a foreskin. Much less to worry about and there are some serious considerations for cancer.
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Source? On the fact that nipple removal is far easier than removing a foreskin.
 
DJ... said:
Ignoring the ease at which nipples can be removed, and that a toe amputation is a quick in and out procedure, what does the commonality of a procedure have to do with its effectiveness? :confused:

EDIT: oh snap, porchrat.

And your argument about cleaning is going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Really what you're saying is it should be chopped off because it has to be cleaned properly. Heavens no - remove the anuses of single-ply wipers then too. Should we also regulate body hair growth and its locations too? These also become finicky little infection-hounds later on in life.

Sorry ma'am, but you have a hairy vagina. Amputation seems the only logical route. We just can't trust you to clean it...
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If people don't clean their pensis, it's siff. What so hard to understand? You're not a hippy are you?
 
Fudzy said:
Well less common surgeries would be more riskier surely?
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Er, no. While I don't have stats to prove my point, I can safely assume that removing one's eyelids is not quite as risky as heart surgery. Yet eyelid removal is more than likely far more rare an event...
 
Fudzy said:
Removing certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits would be a lot more riskier and A LOT less common than circumcision.
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That's why it is imperative that we get started right away. If we can make these surgeries ubiquitous we can bring the death toll right down. And surgeons will have a whole array of new cash cows. It's a win-win situation.

Fudzy said:
autism linked innoculation shots for example
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Autism linked what?
 
DJ... said:
Er, no. While I don't have stats to prove my point, I can safely assume that removing one's eyelids is not quite as risky as heart surgery. Yet eyelid removal is more than likely far more rare an event...
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We're talking about surgery on babies here still right?
 
Fudzy said:
I'm not sure I follow?

EDIT: BTW please stop editing your posts so quickly.

What exactly does demonstrating that the "what if" scenario work both ways in concluding facts?
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Nothing because the "what if" scenarios are not facts. That is what I was trying to show you.

All you can look at are benefits that make it necessary not to get the child's consent. Those are the facts. I can't see any benefits that can't be gained by performing the procedure later when you have the individual's informed consent.
 
Fudzy said:
If people don't clean their pensis, it's siff. What so hard to understand? You're not a hippy are you?
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Absolutely nothing hard to understand, and I agree with you. Where we disagree is that I don't believe it should be chopped off because it has to be cleaned, whereas you do.

Soap; cloth; water - all items I am already familiar with...
 
Fudzy said:
We're talking about surgery on babies here still right?
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Oh dear, you're wouldn't be trying to obfuscate another matter now, would you? You made a statement about commonality of surgery being directly proportional to its associated risks - paediatric or not, it makes no difference. But for argument's sake, sure - paediatric eyelid removal is in my opinion far more rare than paediatric heart surgery. Oh and look where we find ourselves - nowhere near anyone's original arguments with you...:rolleyes:
 
Fudzy said:
Source? On the fact that nipple removal is far easier than removing a foreskin.
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The removal of a nipple requires nothing but a clamp, incision and sutures. There is no structure to be avoided like there is with the removal of a foreskin. Obviously I have no study that has been performed because who on Earth would bother to perform such a ridiculous study. However go ahead and look up the procedure for removing a nipple. It is an exceptionally simple procedure to perform. Heck you could probably do it without a doctor.
 
DJ... said:
Absolutely nothing hard to understand, and I agree with you. Where we disagree is that I don't believe it should be chopped off because it has to be cleaned, whereas you do.
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That's where you're wrong, I don't believe that circumcision eliviates proper hygiene it simpler makes it a bit easier and you're a lot less likely to have bacteria build up in those times between baths/showers than uncircumcised chaps.
 
porchrat said:
The removal of a nipple requires nothing but a clamp, incision and sutures. There is no structure to be avoided like there is with the removal of a foreskin. Obviously I have no study that has been performed because who on Earth would bother to perform such a ridiculous study. However go ahead and look up the procedure for removing a nipple. It is an exceptionally simple procedure to perform. Heck you could probably do it without a doctor.
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Large nail clippers and some Savlon could do the trick. And probably still be safer than circumcision. Nifty little procedure for joggers I'd imagine. Heck, in case kids become joggers, why don't we amputate male nipples at birth too? Hang on, we're back to where we started and still not a valid rebuttal yet. Interesting...
 
Garyvdh said:
Sheesh... if anything needs to be "cut off"... it is this thread! :p
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Agreed. Or atleast ofr it to be merged into that other thousand page diatribe which I see majority of the users here have already contributed to. Must feel great re-expressing your feelings like this.
 
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