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DJ... said:
I haven't once been emotional about the topic and you were directing the post towards me. To assume that I want my foreskin back because I'm opposed to circumcision is a rather poor extrapolation on your part. Ignoring the tone, it doesn't back up your statement that you work with "facts."
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Yes you were being emotional, you were trying to be condescending by mentioning the removal of other more functional body parts.
 
Fudzy, I'm still trying to figure out where you draw the line on this. As I said, certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits are effectively useless to human beings. Why should these not be removed at birth while foreskin is okay?
 
Fudzy said:
Well I guess it isn't easy picking up on proper emotions in text, the choice of words say a lot though. We'll have to agree on disagreeing here.
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Using emotions as the basis for judging someone is not reliable. There is no need to disagree it is plain old common sense.
 
DJ... said:
Fudzy, I'm still trying to figure out where you draw the line on this. As I said, certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits are effectively useless to human beings. Why should these not be removed at birth while foreskin is okay?
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I have to agree with this. What about the rest of it? Surely that isn't a problem either Fudzy?

Please Fudzy don't tell me about benefits... for the baby there are none.
 
Fudzy said:
Yes you were being emotional, you were trying to be condescending by mentioning the removal of other more functional body parts.
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Firstly, I wasn't being condescending. If you picked up on condescension, it merely highlighted the weakness of your argument to you.

Secondly, condescension doesn't detract from my question - emotions or not.

Btw, let's leave the emotional assumptions out of this and stick with the "facts."
 
porchrat said:
Exactly. Some risk (no matter how small) for zero benefit. Why on Earth would anyone take that chance with someone else's body?
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There are all sorts of risky procedures your child might encounter (autism linked innoculation shots for example), I would put circumcision quite low on that list.

Let's say you make the decision not to have your child circumcised at birth, he gets to 15/16 and develops complications meaning that he has to have it removed. He would have endured the pain and possible embarassment before the op as well as the pain, recovery and possible social stigma (school kids can be nasty) following the op.

You better hope that your medical aid doesn't see the op as an elective. Does anyone know what costs involved are?
 
DJ... said:
Firstly, I wasn't being condescending. If you picked up on condescension, it merely highlighted the weakness of your argument to you.

Secondly, condescension doesn't detract from my question - emotions or not.

Btw, let's leave the emotional assumptions out of this and stick with the "facts."
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I'd love to. Please let enigma & porchrat know.
 
porchrat said:
I have to agree with this. What about the rest of it? Surely that isn't a problem either Fudzy?

Please Fudzy don't tell me about benefits... for the baby there are none.
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Moreover, they all pose health dangers to humans in the same way that the foreskin does. Any of these can become infected...
 
Fudzy said:
There are all sorts of risky procedures your child might encounter (autism linked innoculation shots for example), I would put circumcision quite low on that list.
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How low on the list is not what matters. The principle remains you are taking a risk for zero benefit.

Autism caused by shots? Oh no... you're one of those people.

Let's say you make the decision not to have your child circumcised at birth, he gets to 15/16 and develops complications meaning that he has to have it removed. He would have endured the pain and possible embarassment before the op as well as the pain, recovery and possible social stigma (school kids can be nasty) following the op.
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Ultimately though your child gets over it. Lets say you have your child circumcised and he develops a psychological issue about it later. Much much harder to get over that... can't just uncircumcise himself.

Or option B you have a circumcision and there are complications. The child dies of an infection... oops.

Like I said: risk for zero benefit. The individual can always get the circumcision later should complications arise... this is how we deal with all the other body parts... why not the foreskin?
 
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There are some people in this thread who really need to see a shrink about their life long feelings of hurt and loss! :D
 
Fudzy said:
There are all sorts of risky procedures your child might encounter (autism linked innoculation shots for example), I would put circumcision quite low on that list.

Let's say you make the decision not to have your child circumcised at birth, he gets to 15/16 and develops complications meaning that he has to have it removed. He would have endured the pain and possible embarassment before the op as well as the pain, recovery and possible social stigma (school kids can be nasty) following the op.

You better hope that your medical aid doesn't see the op as an elective. Does anyone know what costs involved are?
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This epitomises clutching at straws. "What if" argument does not a fact make.

What if one day I'm walking down the road and my arm is taken off by a bus filming a scene from Speed 3? Should we amputate arms at birth...just in case?

EDIT: please ignore the horrible assumption that a threequel to Speed may be released...
 
DJ... said:
Fudzy, I'm still trying to figure out where you draw the line on this. As I said, certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits are effectively useless to human beings. Why should these not be removed at birth while foreskin is okay?
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You are asking me repeat myself now for about the third time. Removing certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits would be a lot more riskier and A LOT less common than circumcision.

There are health benefits associated with circumcision. YES, none of these have any benefit on babies but later in life I think they could. When you're not circumcised you have to be more diligent about cleaning properly and more frequently than if you nto not circumcised. Do you think your mid teen child is going to opt for surgery on his penis? How guilty would you feel if he fell off the rails, contracted AIDS and gave women cervical cancer? Extreme situation I know but I'm just highlighting a point here.
 
Fudzy said:
You are asking me repeat myself now for about the third time. Removing certain toes, the coccyx, male nipples and many other organs and digits would be a lot more riskier and A LOT less common than circumcision.
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How is removing the nipple riskier?

What does commonality have to do with the principle? Far less risky than removing the foreskin and if done effectively it could reduce your risk of breast cancer (yes it can happen) later.

:confused:
 
porchrat said:
How low on the list is not what matters. The principle remains you are taking a risk for zero benefit.

Autism caused by shots? Oh no... you're one of those people.


Ultimately though your child gets over it. Lets say you have your child circumcised and he develops a psychological issue about it later. Much much harder to get over that... can't just uncircumcise himself.

Or option B you have a circumcision and there are complications. The child dies of an infection... oops.

Like I said: risk for zero benefit. The individual can always get the circumcision later should complications arise... this is how we deal with all the other body parts... why not the foreskin?
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Hang on, you can't play the what if game because it's not based on fact. That's according to DJ anyway.
 
dlk001 said:
I was circumcised at age of 18 and have no problems with it. Love the way it looks and enjoy my sex life.
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But that was your decision.

Dixie said:
Oi!! Leave girls out of this :mad:
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Why, I'm sure there is a fortune to be made on cutting a bit off of baby girls? Just a little off the top perhaps. And don't worry babies don't feel a thing.
 
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