How about: let's discuss cholesterol

[Mike Hoxbig]

You’re Indian? My mind can’t stand that a guy called “Mike Hoxbig” with your avatar is Indian.

Back on topic: I also have fatty liver. I eat very healthy but it’s the cans of Coke every day that got me. I would probably go into keto if I swapped the coke out for water.

Haha. Yeah I drank coke almost exclusively for most of my life, hardly any water. For the past 3 months I've had to give it up, the withdrawal is real, it feels almost like overcoming an addiction. Still have a can maybe once or twice a month.

It's something you need to give up though. Or it'll lead to cirrhosis. And your liver will be indistinguishable from an alcoholic's. Not something to fck around with...

 

[calypso]

processed foods ya is the issue but i also dont eat any salad, very few veg

so will try work on that

Psyllium Husk works really well, along with dropping saturated fats. You will see your levels drop quite a bit.

 

[BBSA]

Psyllium Husk works really well, along with dropping saturated fats. You will see your levels drop quite a bit.

Cutting out saturated fat doesn’t usually make a big dent in your cholesterol because most of the cholesterol in your blood isn’t coming from food, it’s made by your liver. If you eat less, your body often just produces more to keep things balanced.

What really matters is what you replace it with. Swapping fat for refined carbs like bread or pasta can actually make things worse by dropping HDL and raising triglycerides. At the end of the day, cholesterol and heart health are influenced way more by overall lifestyle and metabolic health than by whether you put butter on your steak or not.

 

[calypso]

Cutting out saturated fat doesn’t usually make a big dent in your cholesterol because most of the cholesterol in your blood isn’t coming from food, it’s made by your liver. If you eat less, your body often just produces more to keep things balanced.

What really matters is what you replace it with. Swapping fat for refined carbs like bread or pasta can actually make things worse by dropping HDL and raising triglycerides. At the end of the day, cholesterol and heart health are influenced way more by overall lifestyle and metabolic health than by whether you put butter on your steak or not.

Well I'm saying what worked for me. Dropped my LDL and total cholesterol by about 25%, dropped triglycerides by around 66%. I have a very carb heavy diet, but also a healthy weight and very fit, so I couldn't do much to much those good values already.
Get tested in a lab every 3 months and find out what works for you. Genetics for the most part have the biggest role to play, but my changes mean that I'm not on statins while my parents are.

 

[BBSA]

Well I'm saying what worked for me. Dropped my LDL and total cholesterol by about 25%, dropped triglycerides by around 66%. I have a very carb heavy diet, but also a healthy weight and very fit, so I couldn't do much to much those good values already.
Get tested in a lab every 3 months and find out what works for you. Genetics for the most part have the biggest role to play, but my changes mean that I'm not on statins while my parents are.

Fair enough, that’s a great result for you . Totally agree on regular lab tests, that’s the only way to know what’s really happening.

One thing worth keeping in mind, though, is that regular high blood sugar from a high-carb diet can actually damage cholesterol particles. This makes LDL more likely to oxidise and cause trouble in the arteries. It can also lower HDL and push up triglycerides over time. So even if someone’s cholesterol numbers look decent on paper, if their blood sugar is running high, it can still set them up for inflammation and heart issues down the line.

 

[I.am.Sam]

Welcome to old age Sammy. Was also told my cholesterol is high, and have a fatty liver. You need to get proper blood tests done, you don't know what else could be linked.

I was told everything in moderation is the key, not specifically what you eat. In my case I ate healthy for an Indian person, hardly any curry, mostly grilled (not fried) food. My one vice was too much soft drinks, which was enough to cause these issues...

so he did take bloods and did that tests

yeah i think with chaaros its the genes

but fizzy drinks is a problem for me as well

trying to do research and all before i start full on diets

 

[The Voice]

On an unrelated note, cholesterol is still always in check, but decided to change my statin from the overly aggressive with way too many side effects Rosuvastatin, to the better tolerated Atorvastatin. Couple weeks after I changed it, I sudden couldn’t swallow any solids (unrelated issue), so have changed to the chewable version, and holy **** it’s RANK.

 

[BBSA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970124829790535734

 

[Twat]

I did my first 36hr fast, broke it with a smoked sardine omelet, then had the runs

 

[The Voice]

So, mileage may vary, but my BP was perfect for ages. Then started creeping up again. Figured out why, because I started taking cod liver oil again last week, and my BP has started going down again. Cholesterol is controlled by my statin, but will check what the numbers are when I do my quarterly bloods in December, because CLO is apparently also good for it (increases HDL).

 

[Snyper564]

Just leaving this here Post in thread 'The weight loss thread' https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/the-weight-loss-thread.1270267/post-33985142

I'm on fibrates got my trig levels down from 7 to 0.88 in 4 months.

Biggest changes were medication and lifestyle I have familial cholesterol so I need fibrates no matter how healthy I am.

I take psyllium husk, chia seeds and flax seeds daily. I only drink two units of alcohol. Loads of water. Never felt better. I have lost almost 14kg since April and in the best shape of my life too with the work outs and lifestyle changes.

Dr added lowest dose statins 2 months ago as the rest of the cholesterol numbers barely moved. On them with zero issues.

All the best to all of you on this journey

 

[Pegging]

hello all

so cholestrol readings were high when they did a normal prick of the finger test for me think was 7.3

doc did some blood tests and says its not very high but not low and before i end up on meds i need to change some of my diet

he says cut down on meat and dairy and the likes

anyone has some nice diet plans or recipes on what to eat

and also how much of steak or lamb chops can you eat, eggs are also bad ..well the best part the yolk

Get a food tracking app. Log what you eat for at least a week. Then make an appointment with a dietitian.

They will suggest alternatives to what you are eating.

E.g. instead of butter, use flora proactive. Low fat dairy instead of full fat. Game biltong instead of fatty beef. Etc…

Your first appointment will be an hour. Next will be 6 weeks time to check how it’s going and adjust if needed, then every 6 months will be ok.

 

[BBSA]

Get a food tracking app. Log what you eat for at least a week. Then make an appointment with a dietitian.

They will suggest alternatives to what you are eating.

E.g. instead of butter, use flora proactive. Low fat dairy instead of full fat. Game biltong instead of fatty beef. Etc…

Your first appointment will be an hour. Next will be 6 weeks time to check how it’s going and adjust if needed, then every 6 months will be ok.

Wow, people still think margarine like Flora is better than butter.

A dietitian saying that was probably trained back in the 1990s, when fat was demonised and everyone was taught to fear it. Thankfully, we now know that natural fats like butter are far healthier than the ultra-processed spreads that were pushed during that era.

 

[Pegging]

Wow, people still think margarine like Flora is better than butter.

A dietitian saying that was probably trained back in the 1990s, when fat was demonised and everyone was taught to fear it. Thankfully, we now know that natural fats like butter are far healthier than the ultra-processed spreads that were pushed during that era.

No, a dietician who actually spent years studying and know what they are talking about, unlike twits on the internet who don't even know what a GP does.

 

[BBSA]

No, a dietician who actually spent years studying and know what they are talking about, unlike twits on the internet who don't even know what a GP does.

A dietitian who keeps up with even the most recent research won’t be afraid of fat. The evidence has moved on from the old “fat is bad” narrative, natural fats are no longer seen as the enemy. Instead, the real concerns are over ultra-processed foods, sugars and refined carbohydrates which have a much clearer link to poor health outcomes.

 

[Pegging]

A dietitian who keeps up with even the most recent research won’t be afraid of fat. The evidence has moved on from the old “fat is bad” narrative, natural fats are no longer seen as the enemy. Instead, the real concerns are over ultra-processed foods, sugars and refined carbohydrates which have a much clearer link to poor health outcomes.

Yes, of course. Your 5 minute YouTube watching experience trumps any medical professionals knowledge because none of them keep up to date with new findings.


lol

 

[BBSA]

Yes, of course. Your 5 minute YouTube watching experience trumps any medical professionals knowledge because none of them keep up to date with new findings.


lol

Or you can do a bit of reading:

This article recounts the history of the diet-heart hypothesis from the late 1950s up to the current day, with revelations that have never before been published in the scientific literature. Insights include the role of authorities in launching the diet-hypothesis, including a potential conflict of interest for the American Heart Association; a number of crucial details regarding studies considered influential to the hypothesis; irregularities in the scientific reviews on saturated fats, for both the 2015 and 2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans; and possible conflicts of interest on the relevant subcommittee reviewing saturated fats for the 2020 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee. Information obtained via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) on emails from the 2015 process is published here for the first time. These findings are highly relevant to the 2025–2030 Dietary Guidelines process, now underway, which has plans for a new review on saturated fats.

A short history of saturated fat: the making and unmaking of a scientific consensus - PMC

This article recounts the history of the diet-heart hypothesis from the late 1950s up to the current day, with revelations that have never before been published in the scientific literature. Insights include the role of authorities in launching the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Pegging]

Or you can do a bit of reading:

This article recounts the history of the diet-heart hypothesis from the late 1950s up to the current day, with revelations that have never before been published in the scientific literature. Insights include the role of authorities in launching the diet-hypothesis, including a potential conflict of interest for the American Heart Association; a number of crucial details regarding studies considered influential to the hypothesis; irregularities in the scientific reviews on saturated fats, for both the 2015 and 2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans; and possible conflicts of interest on the relevant subcommittee reviewing saturated fats for the 2020 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee. Information obtained via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) on emails from the 2015 process is published here for the first time. These findings are highly relevant to the 2025–2030 Dietary Guidelines process, now underway, which has plans for a new review on saturated fats.

A short history of saturated fat: the making and unmaking of a scientific consensus - PMC

This article recounts the history of the diet-heart hypothesis from the late 1950s up to the current day, with revelations that have never before been published in the scientific literature. Insights include the role of authorities in launching the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I don’t need to do reading. I go to a dietitian who has done the reading, studying, got a masters degree and helps 1000s of people. And I actually get results from following what she says.

But you keep on the way you are going since you know better.

lol

 

[BBSA]

I don’t need to do reading. I go to a dietitian who has done the reading, studying, got a masters degree and helps 1000s of people. And I actually get results from following what she says.

But you keep on the way you are going since you know better.

lol

I know the article is a bit long but here is the conclusion:

For decades following the introduction of the diet-heart hypothesis, many scientists were unaware of the lack of evidence for this theory. However the rediscovery of rigorous clinical trials testing this hypothesis and the subsequent publication of multiple review papers on these data have provided a new awareness of the fundamental inadequacy of the evidence to support the idea that saturated fats cause heart disease. The observed resistance against considering this new science by successive DGACs can potentially be seen as reflecting longstanding biases in the field and the influence of vested interests. Until the recent science on saturated fats is incorporated into the U.S. Dietary Guidelines, the policy on this topic cannot be seen as evidence-based.

 

[Pegging]

I know the article is a bit long but here is the conclusion:

For decades following the introduction of the diet-heart hypothesis, many scientists were unaware of the lack of evidence for this theory. However the rediscovery of rigorous clinical trials testing this hypothesis and the subsequent publication of multiple review papers on these data have provided a new awareness of the fundamental inadequacy of the evidence to support the idea that saturated fats cause heart disease. The observed resistance against considering this new science by successive DGACs can potentially be seen as reflecting longstanding biases in the field and the influence of vested interests. Until the recent science on saturated fats is incorporated into the U.S. Dietary Guidelines, the policy on this topic cannot be seen as evidence-based.

Go educate them with your superior knowledge.

ADSA – The Association for Dietetics in South Africa (ADSA)

adsa.org.za