How to integrate peacefully

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Recent news events got me thinking on how we can handle this issue of integration in a peaceful manner. It is a fact that something will have to be done if we want to continue to live in a peaceful country.

Now, what you have to keep in mind is that a young man in his early twenties from all races have a natural instinct to establish himself into the pecking order and more often than not is willing to use violent means to do so. You see this everywhere in nature in the behaviour of young adult male animals. Another contributing factor is that it is a basic human characteristic to rather destroy something that we don't understand, or that does things differently than we are used to, before it could (possibly) pose a threat.

Keeping this in mind, I propose the following for all 1st year University students:

Seeing as most classes only start in February, they can be sent off to 'Integration Camp' (Not a very cool name, suggestions are welcome) for a few weeks before classes start. This camp should be made mandatory to all of those who want to attend university.

The format of this camp should be something along the lines of basic training in the army with officers of all races participating, so that no group can claim that they are being discriminated against.

It is almost miraculous to see how quickly people accept each other and how quickly differences disappear when they have to depend on each other during difficult times. I remember seeing sworn enemies in school literally carry one another when an officer is conducting physical training until most of the participants have put their breakfast into reverse gear.

If, on the conclusion of this camp there are still cases of people not getting along, they can be issued with boxing gloves and sort it out that way. It has proved to be an effective way for a young man to sort out conflict in the past.

There is a reason why they used to say that the army turns most boys into men and I think this might just be the solution for our current situation.

These days boys grow up without the parents having time to set boundaries for them and teach them basic manners. If you are never taught (sometimes the hard way) what acceptable behaviour is in society, how on earth are you going to conduct yourself like that when you are all grown up? This is exactly the reason why the government should not interfere with the way how kids are disciplined at home. If they for example call people of other races names and you are not allowed to correct them in a way that they will remember,
it will be a foregone conclusion that we will see more unacceptable behaviour like recent events.

I welcome comments and suggestions on how to tackle this issue in a peaceful manner. Maybe someone has an even better plan.

What is clear though, is that something will have to be done before the situation spirals out of control. I am sure there are those in power from all sides which would actually like this to happen so that they themselves can benefit in some way.

It will be a grave mistake for us to let them succeed.
 
You'll have to give us your definition of integration. If you look overseas in places like the US and the UK, how have immigrants integrated? Obviously they have not. If you look at the reasons why this is so, you will see that SA is no different.

People from different backgrounds/languages/culture often don't mix, no matter what the colour.
 
Those white Afrikaaner boys barricaded themselves into a seperate residence which had to be specifically modified for them so that they don't have to stay with Blacks. That means they are not interested in intergration whatsoever. If they had to attend a camp before going to varsity I'm sure the Afrikaaners would start atheir own private varsity to avoid those camps. We are dealing with people who grew up being indoctrinated by their parents about how black are like this and that. Clearly they don't posess sufficient objective thinking to be able to reformulate their preconceived perceptions. But this applies to many posters in this forum too so no surprises there. Hope we don't have to fund such camps rather use the money for some deserving student to be able to study. Some people's children need to grow up.
 
I do not think the Afrikaner is interested in integration.

We did not want it before ,we do not want it now.
 
I do not think the Afrikaner is interested in integration.

We did not want it before ,we do not want it now.


In my previous job, my boss used to say: "If you want to talk to me about a problem, please make sure you are able to suggest a solution."
 
Those white Afrikaaner boys barricaded themselves into a seperate residence which had to be specifically modified for them so that they don't have to stay with Blacks. That means they are not interested in intergration whatsoever. If they had to attend a camp before going to varsity I'm sure the Afrikaaners would start atheir own private varsity to avoid those camps. We are dealing with people who grew up being indoctrinated by their parents about how black are like this and that. Clearly they don't posess sufficient objective thinking to be able to reformulate their preconceived perceptions. But this applies to many posters in this forum too so no surprises there. Hope we don't have to fund such camps rather use the money for some deserving student to be able to study. Some people's children need to grow up.
As far as I understand, their problem was with forced integration. They didn't barricade anything, they were using a former guest house as their residence. Perhaps they wanted to stay with other Afrikaners.

I've stayed in a res with two Afrikaners and they just wanted to speak to each other in their own language and talk about 'meisies' all the time. It was their own thing and it didn't bother too many people. Same as if a bunch arrived from Cape Town - they wanted to be with the same crowd.

A relative of mine joined the navy and despite his age, found it quite difficult to accept the vast differences in culture and often very odd habits of his fellow trainees. There was no force involved and eventually they got used to each other, but some still would not talk to white people at all and would chat in their own language to the exclusion of the others. Manners also play a part IMHO>
 
It is obvious that racial integration cannot be forced. It must be guided and managed.

If you have never walked in someone else's shoes, it will be hard to understand her life, her hang-ups and her motives for doing things.
 
It is obvious that racial integration cannot be forced. It must be guided and managed.

If you have never walked in someone else's shoes, it will be hard to understand her life, her hang-ups and her motives for doing things.

That's why we should all be taught in English at school and at home. One language could be the short cut to better integration and understanding.
 
That's why we should all be taught in English at school and at home. One language could be the short cut to better integration and understanding.

The English tried that before. Remember Kitchener?
It ended in war.
Remember Soweto 1976?
It ended in riots.
 
You'll have to give us your definition of integration. If you look overseas in places like the US and the UK, how have immigrants integrated? Obviously they have not. If you look at the reasons why this is so, you will see that SA is no different.

People from different backgrounds/languages/culture often don't mix, no matter what the colour.

They have integrated when it comes to the middle class, educated folks,
hell they're even intermarrying all the time - speaking of the US that is.
Sure you get ethnic majority neighbourhoods but if you look
at most professional middle class people they've integrated very well.
 
I think if there is one thing people must stop doing is to FORCE people to intergrate as its one's freedom of choice. Think about the other person as your neighbour. You can live for years nexto each other with no hassles, and still you are friends...Why cant we do the same as a nation? When it comes to hostels, schools, etc, ok, fair...you cant have hostels for each and every culture as it wont make sense, but otherwise we can live in peace. Come to think of it, I think the MAIN thing here is peace :)
Long story short, we must learn to accept each other.
 
Seeing as most classes only start in February, they can be sent off to 'Integration Camp' (Not a very cool name, suggestions are welcome) for a few weeks before classes start. This camp should be made mandatory to all of those who want to attend university.

An "Integration Camp", even with a more palatable name, is still a dogmatic intervention that diametrically opposes the primary reason for going to university. I think there is merit to the part in your argument about discipline though. Something like a Peace Corps option might not be a bad idea, especially if it paid enough for people to save for tuition fees to avoid incurring a study debt.
The "mandatory" nature of your solution is legally problematic. Such a system would be open to abuse and government interference, just as compulsory national service was in the past. The organisational issues around establishing something of this nature would also be significant.
The other problem is that, although classes really only being in earnest around February, first years begin with about two weeks of orientation etc. before classes begin. (No that was not a euphamism for hazing, although I suspect it does still take place in some reduced form.)

What is clear though, is that something will have to be done before the situation spirals out of control. I am sure there are those in power from all sides which would actually like this to happen so that they themselves can benefit in some way.

It will be a grave mistake for us to let them succeed.

Agreed, criminality cannot be tolerated at any national institution. IMO meaningful reconciliation will only occur amongst people who are free of government interference and social engineering. To prevent a further downward spiral, perpetrators of violence and intolerance should be punished more severely, (i.e. blacklisting). Enforcement must also be comprehensive, not selective according to news headlines.

In my previous job, my boss used to say: "If you want to talk to me about a problem, please make sure you are able to suggest a solution."

I bet your boss didn't want to be replaced by the same person though :).


This kind of post is really getting tiresome. Contribute to the thread or move along, it's really as simple as that.
Don't bother with "use the RBP" button either, I know what it's there for.
 
The English tried that before. Remember Kitchener?
It ended in war.
Remember Soweto 1976?
It ended in riots.
Black pupils want to be taught English and in English even Pandor admits that. It's not a matter of force, if that's what you are implying. And Soweto was about the imposition of Afrikaans.

They have integrated when it comes to the middle class, educated folks,
hell they're even intermarrying all the time - speaking of the US that is.
Sure you get ethnic majority neighbourhoods but if you look
at most professional middle class people they've integrated very well.
When they do intermarry, their children adopt a black culture and watch Oprah and vote for Barack Hussein Obama and listen to rap, right? That's not integration, that's assimilation.
 
I dont think you are in a position to speak for the Afrikaans community!

You are right.

I am not a spokesperson for the Afrikaans community.

However, I consider myself as an Afrikaner.

I also have contact with fellow Afrikaners.

I know how we think,and i know we feel.

I can only give my opinion in this regard.
 
I am an Afrikaner and for most of us we have no need or inclination to integrate in the manner as this disgusting UFS policy (by a so called Afrikaans Rector) intends.

Integration as intended means that Afrikaners shall have to :

1. Lose their right to freedom of association.
2. Lose their right of choice of language when at leisure.
3. Lose their freedom of speech when conversing in leisure.

If I would be the parents of the students I would take my child out of UFS, which used to be a proud Afrikaans varsity of good standing and place my child in another varsity that has matured.

The entire process of integration and so called transformation has reduced UFS to this rubble dump.
 
i think people will intergrate sooner or later . Afrikaaners are no special to any1 from any university in SA , sooner or later they will see it .
 
I am an Afrikaner and for most of us we have no need or inclination to integrate in the manner as this disgusting UFS policy (by a so called Afrikaans Rector) intends.

Integration as intended means that Afrikaners shall have to :

1. Lose their right to freedom of association.
2. Lose their right of choice of language when at leisure.
3. Lose their freedom of speech when conversing in leisure.

If I would be the parents of the students I would take my child out of UFS, which used to be a proud Afrikaans varsity of good standing and place my child in another varsity that has matured.

The entire process of integration and so called transformation has reduced UFS to this rubble dump.

welcome to the real world buddy .
 
Insofar as integration goes I personally does not have a problem with it, as long as it is not taken to some absurd lengths. IMHO the events that took place in Bloem needs to be condemned to the fullest extent and the individuals responsable punished.

Furthermore the onlookers who said nothing and thought that the incident was 'funny' should also bear the brunt. If that is in any way funny you are a seriously sick person.

Someone also mentioned the fact that certain groups form within a larger group and that is nothing new. However if the group is formed by extrernal influences (for instance a work situation) I think it is only fair for the members of the group to take others into consideration.

I myself am an white afrikaans male (24) and have no issues having non-afrikaans non-white colleages / friends / associates. Also speaking english in a group to accomodate all peaple seems only natural to me.

Sorry for the long post. Just my 2c

Cheers
Slayer
 
i think people will intergrate sooner or later . Afrikaaners are no special to any1 from any university in SA , sooner or later they will see it .

True.

Some will integrate, the majority won't.

In the process we will lose our language,our nationality,culture and our right of association.

These are things the Afrikaner fought for.

We will not forfeit our identity.

(IMHO)
 
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