How to integrate peacefully

i think people will intergrate sooner or later . Afrikaaners are no special to any1 from any university in SA , sooner or later they will see it .

Just that we created most of the good varsities that have had good standing Internationaly.

But that is the way of the ANC in this country to break down everything that can be an opposition. Even at the determent of their own supporters

Lucky the wheel does sometimes turn.
 
True.

Some will integrate, the majority won't.

In the process we will lose our language,our nationality,culture and our right of association.

These are things the Afrikaner fought for.

We will not forfeit our identity.

(IMHO)

what u fought for against who and when ?
In the long run an intergrated society will benefit every1 . U do not want some leader who hates Afrikaaners for lack of knowledge marginalising them or taking the Hitler approach. Everyone has their own way of doing things and I think having an intergrated university will affect your culture . The good thing about university is that you learn a lot not only about school stuff but about life and different people , which will benefit you and the country.
Afrikaaners have television stations , afrikaaner forums on the internet as just a few of the areas were your language can be preserved in this modern era . U can even watch 7 de laan but then again it seems a bit intergrated
 
Recent news events got me thinking on how we can handle this issue of integration in a peaceful manner. It is a fact that something will have to be done if we want to continue to live in a peaceful country.

Now, what you have to keep in mind is that a young man in his early twenties from all races have a natural instinct to establish himself into the pecking order and more often than not is willing to use violent means to do so. You see this everywhere in nature in the behaviour of young adult male animals. Another contributing factor is that it is a basic human characteristic to rather destroy something that we don't understand, or that does things differently than we are used to, before it could (possibly) pose a threat.

Keeping this in mind, I propose the following for all 1st year University students:

Seeing as most classes only start in February, they can be sent off to 'Integration Camp' (Not a very cool name, suggestions are welcome) for a few weeks before classes start. This camp should be made mandatory to all of those who want to attend university.

The format of this camp should be something along the lines of basic training in the army with officers of all races participating, so that no group can claim that they are being discriminated against.

It is almost miraculous to see how quickly people accept each other and how quickly differences disappear when they have to depend on each other during difficult times. I remember seeing sworn enemies in school literally carry one another when an officer is conducting physical training until most of the participants have put their breakfast into reverse gear.

If, on the conclusion of this camp there are still cases of people not getting along, they can be issued with boxing gloves and sort it out that way. It has proved to be an effective way for a young man to sort out conflict in the past.

There is a reason why they used to say that the army turns most boys into men and I think this might just be the solution for our current situation.

These days boys grow up without the parents having time to set boundaries for them and teach them basic manners. If you are never taught (sometimes the hard way) what acceptable behaviour is in society, how on earth are you going to conduct yourself like that when you are all grown up? This is exactly the reason why the government should not interfere with the way how kids are disciplined at home. If they for example call people of other races names and you are not allowed to correct them in a way that they will remember,
it will be a foregone conclusion that we will see more unacceptable behaviour like recent events.

I welcome comments and suggestions on how to tackle this issue in a peaceful manner. Maybe someone has an even better plan.

What is clear though, is that something will have to be done before the situation spirals out of control. I am sure there are those in power from all sides which would actually like this to happen so that they themselves can benefit in some way.

It will be a grave mistake for us to let them succeed.

Integration is a pipe dream unless everyone compromises on all sorts of levels, religion, values, principles, culture etc. etc. etc.
 
what u fought for against who and when ?
In the long run an intergrated society will benefit every1 . U do not want some leader who hates Afrikaaners for lack of knowledge marginalising them or taking the Hitler approach. Everyone has their own way of doing things and I think having an intergrated university will affect your culture . The good thing about university is that you learn a lot not only about school stuff but about life and different people , which will benefit you and the country.
Afrikaaners have television stations , afrikaaner forums on the internet as just a few of the areas were your language can be preserved in this modern era . U can even watch 7 de laan but then again it seems a bit intergrated
They don't have stations on normal TV, just particular slots.

What I find irritating is that certain radio stations had a high white English listenership and then somebodyt decided it was too white and imposed some black hosts with poor accents and strange black-centric views with stories about townships, Kwela music and HIV. Is this a form of forced integration? Why not just leave it alone and form a new station?? This type of thing just causes resentment and IMHO is an obstacle to integration and racial harmony.
 
what u fought for against who and when ?
In the long run an intergrated society will benefit every1 . U do not want some leader who hates Afrikaaners for lack of knowledge marginalising them or taking the Hitler approach. Everyone has their own way of doing things and I think having an intergrated university will affect your culture . The good thing about university is that you learn a lot not only about school stuff but about life and different people , which will benefit you and the country.
Afrikaaners have television stations , afrikaaner forums on the internet as just a few of the areas were your language can be preserved in this modern era . U can even watch 7 de laan but then again it seems a bit intergrated

True.

I have no TV.

I do not watch 7de Laan.
 
I use 7de laan in Gezina, Pretoria to get to 8ste laan as a shortcut in morning traffic.
 
They don't have stations on normal TV, just particular slots.

What I find irritating is that certain radio stations had a high white English listenership and then somebodyt decided it was too white and imposed some black hosts with poor accents and strange black-centric views with stories about townships, Kwela music and HIV. Is this a form of forced integration? Why not just leave it alone and form a new station?? This type of thing just causes resentment and IMHO is an obstacle to integration and racial harmony.

maybe they are accomodating the few or who knows the many black listeners .
 
maybe they are accomodating the few or who knows the many black listeners .
So disregard the existing loyal audience in favour of larger, black ones by forcing them to endure topics that don't interest them and poor diction in the name of transformation/integration? Sounds like the SABC.

Somehow this doesn't bode well for harmony.
 
So disregard the existing loyal audience in favour of larger, black ones by forcing them to endure topics that don't interest them and poor diction in the name of transformation/integration? Sounds like the SABC.

Somehow this doesn't bode well for harmony.

TV stations are only concerned about ratings.

Higher ratings means more advertising revenue.

It is only logical to accomodate the bigger number of viewers.
 
You can always watch what you like by making a choice . The only thing I do not like is the thing of trying to force rugby players and coaches into a team , I think people underestimate the power of sports entertainment nowadays and how it affects the attitudes of people . I wouldnt want a useless player being forced into a soccer team because at the end of the day it is about winning , I am not going to console myself by saying at least we had white player in Bafana . Transformation is good but I agree with some of you guys that it takes a lot of time and people should be patient , but obviously we should get rid of some bad attitudes .
 
but the question is more of sharing resources like hostels so I do not really see were they force people . I think people are just afraid of things they do not understand , and that is were learning comes into place .
 
but the question is more of sharing resources like hostels so I do not really see were they force people . I think people are just afraid of things they do not understand , and that is were learning comes into place .

True.

Basically people are afraid of change.

When it's forced they get more afraid.
 
Many tertiary institutions have integrated relatively peacefully. Get rid of the elements that are resisting change and equality. People who do not want to integrate with other race or/and ethnic groups should not be allowed/kept at a tertiary institution residence.
 
Yes, thank you.

A good idea.

Let's not derail the thread.
Personal attacks in the Piepalook thread Off topic.

As stated before: we see no need to integrate into a different culture.

We also will not be forced into another culture.

There are differences between us,unfortunately,and in my opinion those differences will remain.

Nothing you or me or anyone else can do will change that.

Excuse me, who said anything about culture? The issue at UFS is about the sharing of varsity facilities between ALL races. It has nothing to do with culture. Look at Khayalami, a lot of cultures in one res (great parties held there btw).

Residences like Reitz, brought the "culture" excuse to try and defend their stance, but in essence it is a lame excuse.
 
I am an Afrikaner and for most of us we have no need or inclination to integrate in the manner as this disgusting UFS policy (by a so called Afrikaans Rector) intends.

Integration as intended means that Afrikaners shall have to :

1. Lose their right to freedom of association.
2. Lose their right of choice of language when at leisure.
3. Lose their freedom of speech when conversing in leisure.

If I would be the parents of the students I would take my child out of UFS, which used to be a proud Afrikaans varsity of good standing and place my child in another varsity that has matured.

The entire process of integration and so called transformation has reduced UFS to this rubble dump.

1. I have yet to see something that states a restriction in freedom of association.
2. Nobody has said that Afrikaans will not be allowed in the res.
3. Once again, your freedom of speech may not encrouch on other people's human rights.

I repeat, the UFS situation is about making available varsity hostels to ALL races, and nothing about culture or language.
 
The reason integration actually works is because the majority of SA tertiary institutions do not have issues like UFS.

I would tend to disagree as far as normal society is concerned.

But that is only my view.
 
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