How to register vehicle without papers

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BLIXEMPIE

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So the douche from whom I purchased my car refuses to give me the car's papers now. Is there ANY legal way in which I can have my car registered in my name without the papers? I do have the sale agreement as well as proof of payment. I want to get this done while I'm suing this prick for conning me. I still owe him R3000 but he refuses to show me that the car's papers are still fine and in order. He threatened to have the car scrapped to code 4 if I don't pay, but I refuse to pay without seeing the papers, which I now believe have been destroyed.
 
BLIXEMPIE said:
So the douche from whom I purchased my car refuses to give me the car's papers now. Is there ANY legal way in which I can have my car registered in my name without the papers? I do have the sale agreement as well as proof of payment. I want to get this done while I'm suing this prick for conning me. I still owe him R3000 but he refuses to show me that the car's papers are still fine and in order. He threatened to have the car scrapped to code 4 if I don't pay, but I refuse to pay without seeing the papers, which I now believe have been destroyed.
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It's easy enough. But you will need to take the vehicle for a SAPS Clearance. You will also need an affidavit detailing how you obtained the vehicle. In KZN we have a special Affidavit especially for such transactions so enquire at your Registering Authority.

Attach all of these to your RLV forms, include the Sale Agreement. Depending on the set-up in Gauteng all the documents will need to go in to some section for approval. In KZN the approvals section is centralised in Pietermaritzburg although larger RA's such as Durban have an in-house authorisation section.

Not sure what time frame it takes up there either but once the transaction has been authorised you will be able to register and licence the vehicle on your name.

PM me if you have any other queries... although KZN is my specialty lol.

PS. He cannot have the vehicle scrapped in the event that it was sold. Well we refuse to do that here in any event. In the event of a sale the sale must be recorded and not a de-registration.
 
ShaunSA said:
It's easy enough. But you will need to take the vehicle for a SAPS Clearance. You will also need an affidavit detailing how you obtained the vehicle. In KZN we have a special Affidavit especially for such transactions so enquire at your Registering Authority.

Attach all of these to your RLV forms, include the Sale Agreement. Depending on the set-up in Gauteng all the documents will need to go in to some section for approval. In KZN the approvals section is centralised in Pietermaritzburg although larger RA's such as Durban have an in-house authorisation section.

Not sure what time frame it takes up there either but once the transaction has been authorised you will be able to register and licence the vehicle on your name.

PM me if you have any other queries... although KZN is my specialty lol.

PS. He cannot have the vehicle scrapped in the event that it was sold. Well we refuse to do that here in any event. In the event of a sale the sale must be recorded and not a de-registration.
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Thanks for the info. Well, the car is still on his name, so at this point he just doesn't have to say he sold the car to have the registration changed.

EDIT: Which I kind of hope he will do. In that case he committed an act of fraud, and then I will have all I need to have a court force him to repay me AND arrest him.
 
BLIXEMPIE said:
Yes. Sigh. Worst decision ever.
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Strongs dude, these school fees are a part of life. Makes you wiser and more cautious, doesn't make it any less of a PITA though. Hope Shaun's suggestion sorts you out.
 
Sinbad said:
Good luck insuring it without the natis certificate.
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I was (of course) speaking purely figuratively. :)

The way BLIXEMPIE's luck has been running, he'd be arrested for fraud and end up in prison, while still owing the seller money and having no income (or car).
 
Fudzy said:
Is this still the Code 3 Daihatsu?
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So kids, what have we learned here?

1. Never buy a code 3 car except if it's for parts.
2. Test drive the sucker or take it for a AA test.
3. Make sure the numbers match on the engine / chassis and paperwork
4. never buy a car without paper work, except if it's for parts.

:p
 
spiderz said:
So kids, what have we learned here?

1. Never buy a code 3 car except if it's for parts.
2. Test drive the sucker or take it for a AA test.
3. Make sure the numbers match on the engine / chassis and paperwork
4. never buy a car without paper work, except if it's for parts.

:p
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Hindsight is so crystal clear.
 
ShaunSA said:
It's easy enough. But you will need to take the vehicle for a SAPS Clearance. You will also need an affidavit detailing how you obtained the vehicle. In KZN we have a special Affidavit especially for such transactions so enquire at your Registering Authority.

Attach all of these to your RLV forms, include the Sale Agreement. Depending on the set-up in Gauteng all the documents will need to go in to some section for approval. In KZN the approvals section is centralised in Pietermaritzburg although larger RA's such as Durban have an in-house authorisation section.

Not sure what time frame it takes up there either but once the transaction has been authorised you will be able to register and licence the vehicle on your name.

PM me if you have any other queries... although KZN is my specialty lol.

PS. He cannot have the vehicle scrapped in the event that it was sold. Well we refuse to do that here in any event. In the event of a sale the sale must be recorded and not a de-registration.
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I've done something similar while I stayed in the East Rand (around 1998), there I had to go to the Benoni branch for a SAPS Clearance (the shady garage I bought from, had lost the cars papers). It took me about two day of travel and begging. You might also get a copy of the car papers from the license department, especially if you have the sale documents.
 
ShaunSA said:
It's easy enough. But you will need to take the vehicle for a SAPS Clearance. You will also need an affidavit detailing how you obtained the vehicle. In KZN we have a special Affidavit especially for such transactions so enquire at your Registering Authority.
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I think in such affidavit must be a clause that car had been fully paid. In this case the car is not fully paid, therefore ownership cannot be transfered.
Simply rule: sale transaction is not completed until is fully paid.
 
sajunky said:
I think in such affidavit must be a clause that car had been fully paid. In this case the car is not fully paid, therefore ownership cannot be transfered.
Simply rule: sale transaction is not completed until is fully paid.
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Yes but I am not willing to pay the remaining R3000 to the sh*thead because he won't give me the papers. The contract states he needs to give me the papers. And he sold me a crap broken car, so he can just go screw himself anyway. I paid for the car in full then, so I can just go to a licensing dept. and request the papers? Tell them the owner lost them? Will they still require transfer docs?
 
Problem is if you tell them you are the owner, you are committing fraud, as you are not. You can requuest full refund. But if you want to keep the car and don't pay remaining debt, you are on the wrongs side. And if your written agreement says "as is", you have no claim for the condition of the car.
 
sajunky said:
Problem is if you tell them you are the owner, you are committing fraud, as you are not. You can requuest full refund. But if you want to keep the car and don't pay remaining debt, you are on the wrongs side. And if your written agreement says "as is", you have no claim for the condition of the car.
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CPA will still protect me if everything goes belly-up right after sale has been concluded. And how am I committing fraud if the car IS actually mine?
 
BLIXEMPIE said:
CPA will still protect me if everything goes belly-up right after sale has been concluded. And how am I committing fraud if the car IS actually mine?
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Wrong about CPA.
Wrong about ownership. Ownership is transfered when goods are fully paid, as I wrote already.
 
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