Huawei E367 VS E1820, Which to get?

[Deep78]

So I've been trying to get some kind of Comparison online between the E367 and the E1820 but
cant really find allot of info on the E367 can anyone tell me the Differences between the 2 modems?

 

[Ghost29]

I would also like to know the answer to this.

 

[Ghost29]

http://www.mobilabredband.se/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3046

Translate this page. Seems the E1820 operates in a greater range or freqs.

 

[sajunky]

Translate from Swedish. It says that E367 doesn't support GSM/GPRS/EDGE. But it doesn't matter, as their local operator doesn't use it. In RSA it matters.

 

[janptak]

E1820 - You can't connect external antena as external connector is used only as diversity purpose.
Ive had this modem - it worked ok - I didnt have any issues besides the antena thing.

 

[ludi85]

Hi all,

The e367 is a newer modem than the e1820. Both on same range or freqs.

The E367 mainly supports the following features:
• HSPA+/UMTS 2100/1900/900/850MHz, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
MHz

The E1820 mainly supports the following features:
• HSPA+/UMTS 2100MHz, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

Got the information above form the following:

http://www.starhub.com/content/dam/support/broadband/docs/E367_product_description.pdf
http://www.starhub.com/content/dam/...port_broadband_E1820_productspecification.pdf

 

[sajunky]

The e367 is a newer modem than the e1820. Both on same range or freqs.

The E367 mainly supports the following features:
• HSPA+/UMTS 2100/1900/900/850MHz, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
MHz

OK, it is quad-band UMTS (with CellC 900MHz), has got everything needed, including external antenna connector. Lets wait and see reports whether is implemented properly (not like in 1820).

 

[ginggs]

The E1820 mainly supports the following features:
• HSPA+/UMTS 2100MHz, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

The E1820 as supplied by Cell-C does UMTS 900MHz as well.

As janptak pointed out and confirmed in this thread, the external antenna connector in the E1820 as supplied by Cell-C is useless.

 

[sajunky]

Another look at specs of E1820 and E367:

Issue 1:
E1820 and E367 supports the following standards:
- High-speed packet access plus(HSPA+), but
Only E367 supports the following services:
- HSPA+ packet data service
It might be omission, or indicate that E1820 is not fully compliant with HSPA+ R7, to verify take a look at table 2.1:

Technical standards:
E1820: WCDMA/HSDPA R7, HSUPA R6
E367: WCDMA/HSDPA R5, HSUPA R6, HSPA+ R7

It confirms that E1820 is not HSPA+ R7 compliant. It supports 64QAM modulation which gives HSPA+ R7 raw speed 21mbps (no MIMO). There is much more features introduced in R7 which helps stability of the connection, perhaps it is intelligent way to hide it from the consumer. Although E367 supports MIMO and maximum speed 28mbps is achieved with MIMO, but lack of MIMO should not be problem for E1820 to be compliant with HSPA+ R7.

Once again from table 2.1 on the same issue:

Static receiver sensitivity:
E1820: WCDMA/HSPA+ 2100MHz: Compliant with 3GPP TS25.101(R6)
E367: WCDMA/HSPA+ 2100/1900/900/850MHz: Compliant with 3GPP TS 25.101(R7)

E1820 receivers are also not compliant with R7. On the side note it is nonsense: there is no HSPA+ in R6

Issue 2:
We know already how external antenna connection is implemented in E1820, lets take a look how this information is hidden from the user.

E367:
Equalizer and receive diversity（TYPE 3) and:
Dual internal antenna

This fair tale, because Type 3 is defined in 3GPP as "diversity equaliser", which means equaliser is processing signal simultaneously from two independent antennas (as opposed to the RAKE diversity receiver - Type 1).

E1820:
HSPA+ Equalizer and receive diversity
Supports a fixed built-in diversity antenna

I have problem undertanding term "diversity antenna". Sort of new-age speech and thanks to the forum everybody knows how it works in practice.

This is a warning for users DO NOT LET SOUTH AFRICA BECOME A DUMPING SITE FOR ELECTRONIC JUNK!

E367 has no the best receivers either. About advanced receivers read this:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/355956-Advanced-Type3i-receivers

 

[sajunky]

Little bit warning regarding E367.
Specification shows it is 21Mbps modem. However firmware 11.810.09.20.00 specification on MTN site is not so clear. It says that

UMTS PS domain:
l Uplink: 384 kbit/s
l Downlink: 384 kbit/s
l HSPA+: 28.8 Mbit/s
l HSDPA: 14.4 Mbit/s
l HSUPA: 5.76 Mbit/s

My concern is that 28Mbps is achieved in R7 with MIMO and 16QAM modulation, what happen if your network do not support MIMO? Probably NOT!

If modem do not support 64QAM modulation (and specification doesn't say anything), your maximum speed will be limited to 14Mbps. In such case E1820 will be faster on such network.

Edit: Disregard above. E367 is based on newer version of the same Qualcomm chip 8200a vs. 8200 in E1820. It is marketted as 21Mbps modem in some other networks.

 

[Deep78]

Thanx guys for all the info ... finally decided to go for the E367 what what i've read here and from other pages it
seems the E367 is a later ver of the E1820 with a working antenna point :}

 

[nathanstevenson]

I have an E1820 and recently had an upgrade to an iphone 4S on Vodacom. What I am finding is that the Iphone 4S with its dual internal antennas and only HSPA+ 14.4 is giving far better downlink speeds than the E1820 on either Cell-C or 8TA. I suspect that most of this is to do with the network but I also think the E1820 doesn't perform as well as the modems in the iphone 4S.

Considering the E1820 is technically faster than iphone 4S but only has one antenna, do you think the e367 will perform better with its 2 antennas?

Deep78 - what is your experience of the E367? Which network are you on and which part of Cape Town do you live in? What downlink and uplink speeds are you getting?

 

[ginggs]

I suspect that most of this is to do with the network but I also think the E1820 doesn't perform as well as the modems in the iphone 4S.

I would say it is only the network. I have found that 3G modems are normally faster than mobile phones. Moving data quickly is what they are designed to do.

Considering the E1820 is technically faster than iphone 4S but only has one antenna, do you think the e367 will perform better with its 2 antennas?

The E1820 has two antennae.

 

[sajunky]

I have an E1820 and recently had an upgrade to an iphone 4S on Vodacom. What I am finding is that the Iphone 4S with its dual internal antennas and only HSPA+ 14.4 is giving far better downlink speeds than the E1820 on either Cell-C or 8TA. I suspect that most of this is to do with the network but I also think the E1820 doesn't perform as well as the modems in the iphone 4S.

Two questions:

Do you use 4S in exactly the same location as modem? Probably not, as modem usually sticks on the back of PC (as should), ubstructed by PC cabinet. Valid also when using laptop, as orientation of the modem antenna is not correct. Use short cable to change modem's position.

Do you use USB cable with the modem? Probably you have power issues, typical for USB modems. It is another reason why 4S works faster - it has internal battery.

 

[ginggs]

Do you use 4S in exactly the same location as modem?

Doesn't matter, OP is using iPhone 4S on Vodacom and E1820 on Cell-C and 8.ta.
He is not comparing apples with err... apples.

 

[Mr K]

I need to buy a modem for a friend.
Is E367 still the latest modem? Are there any better modems available?
Is it better to buy a modem with LTE support or are they too expensive at the moment?
Please assist?

 

[Tun@]

The K4605/E372 would be another one to look at depending on price differance.
Had rock solid performance out of mine & i think Gingg's is also pretty happy with his.

Chasing a LTE modem re what freq's to cover may come undone sooner or later with nothing being set in stone yet.
You might end up buying one to work on "x" freq & later it gets changed to "y" & what you bought may or may not cover that band.
I don't think its "friend" recommend territory to go into.

 

[Mr K]

So you recommend to go with E372 and look at replacing with a different one if incase LTE needed at later stages?
Where can I buy E372 for a best price?

The K4605/E372 would be another one to look at depending on price differance.
Had rock solid performance out of mine & i think Gingg's is also pretty happy with his.

Chasing a LTE modem re what freq's to cover may come undone sooner or later with nothing being set in stone yet.
You might end up buying one to work on "x" freq & later it gets changed to "y" & what you bought may or may not cover that band.
I don't think its "friend" recommend territory to go into.

 

[Tun@]

Vodashop sell them as a K4605 - you just need to reflash it to be gone of the vodacom dash & replace it with a Hauwei dash if the user plans to not use Voda.
For a E367 price 8ta store probably.

I'm guessing the E367 is probably cheaper still - it might even be better to just go with the cheaper option on the outlook of moving to an LTE capable modem later.
Guess it depends on preferance.
The K4605/E372 is 42Mbps capable but i've seen no speeds from 8ta or CellC of even half that,If the user is planning on using Vodacom perhaps they will.
CellC WAS talking of rolling out 42Mbps but that seems to have become nothing more than talk.
So yes the K4605 is a solid modem but if the price differance is too extreme then it may not be worth the extra.
Year ago figures from the top of my head was R7-800 for 8ta E367 & R1400 vodashop for the K4605, i would expect the K4605 to have come down in price by now.

 

[sajunky]

With new LTE modems coming out E372 is too expensive to buy for now. E367 is better compromise for a transition period. Or if you can find E353 for around R400 (also 21MBps). These all have external antenna connector. Just double check if there are dual UMTS band 900/2100MHz.

Other option while waiting for LTE is inexpensive battery powered Mifi router with built in 3G modem. I saw very old but reliable and trouble-free R201 (7.2Mbps) brand new for around R350.