HUNTER VS ROGUE MELEE HELP

Pornolio said:
Missing the point completely...

Lets break it down... At a range, rogues can easily get to a hunter.
From the hunter side, once a rogue is on you... you have little to no chance to get away. 99% of the time when a rogue is on you, you get NO shots back. You stand there taking it, stunned, stunlocked, kidney shotted whatever. With NO chance of getting one hit back. I repeat... NO hits back.

At range a rogue can shadowstep right behind the hunter... one button. (wow that was hard hey ?)
Cloak of shadows... dont even get me started.

It all boils down the original problem... oh **** buttons + abilities + survivability.

Any rogue that feels they are perfectly balanced for PVP is completely ignorant, biast and.... oh well lemme rather stop.

Come on... if anything its the rogue camp QQ'ing now :rolleyes:
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Not true ;)

If a rogue is caught out of stealth he might have a few O shyt buttons. But he is fk'd 90% of the time when it is at range by a Hunter ;)
 
Come on Pitbull... dont be stubborn.

Dont pretend you have no idea what sprint is.
Are you telling me you cant get to a hunter @ 70% run speed... :rolleyes:
 
Pitbull just likes to argue. Fact.

Speaking from a locks perspective Rogues faceroll me. I have to play out of my shoes if i want to beat them. If i survive/trinket then i get my fear off, but then they trinket that, and pop sprint / COS. GG. thanks for playing. This is as afflic by the way.. i have more of a chance as destro due to me using my succi.

If a rogue has all his cooldowns he "should" beat all hunters, shamans and locks. No question. Thats why rogues are just a silly class really. They either Godlike, or useless, depending on what CD's they have. No middle ground whatsoever.
 
Pitbull said:
Not true ;)

If a rogue is caught out of stealth he might have a few O shyt buttons. But he is fk'd 90% of the time when it is at range by a Hunter ;)
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They can stealth when under attack you know
 
Now I reckon there are a few things a hunter CAN do to get away from a rogue. Granted it is very dependant on latency but then again, so is playing a rogue.

When I played my hunter, I got owned by rogues quite a bit, but then again pallys just stun killed me, warriors charge, bash, MS and I was dead, mages nuked me.

I think out of all the classes I mentioned above, pallys killed my hunter the most.
 
Pornolio said:
Come on Pitbull... dont be stubborn.

Dont pretend you have no idea what sprint is.
Are you telling me you cant get to a hunter @ 70% run speed... :rolleyes:
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:D

Yes you are correct, but Sprint has a CD and so too does Cloak of Cheats.
Sprint = Usless with that concussion shot crap you guys do. Even if I do sprint and get in close, you wing clip and then does the shot that throws you back away from me......

So yes, Rogues have Vanish (Serpent Sting breaks vanish) we have Cloak of Shadows which removes DOTS (not the Consussion shot or Wing clip) and it doesn't break frost trap either.

Damn you hunters have it really hard against the rogues. O and then the hunters complain that rogues attack the low HP guys. But then Hunters do exatcly the same..... from range :(
 
At jase... Dude I think you havent played your hunter in ages.
A LOT has changed.

The old days of surviving against a rogue is long gone with BM.

The talent tree's are different now, scatter shot is moved, its no longer in the MM tree, its no longer possible to double BW via readiness... readiness is moved... survival explosive burst is nerfed. Explosive shot stun is removed.

Its very hard balancing one class and not making it overpowered against another class.

As a hunter we dont expect to be indestructable... but what we would like... is having the ability to survive a onslaught from a rogue.

@ pitbull... Yes thank you, NOW you are talking sense... If anything the following comes forward from your post... you rogues have a **** load of get out of trouble buttons. And thats what this whole QQ'ing is about.
 
Pornolio said:
At jase... Dude I think you havent played your hunter in ages.
A LOT has changed.

The old days of surviving against a rogue is long gone with BM.

The talent tree's are different now, scatter shot is moved, its no longer in the MM tree, its no longer possible to double BW via readiness... readiness is moved... survival explosive burst is nerfed. Explosive shot stun is removed.

Its very hard balancing one class and not making it overpowered against another class.

As a hunter we dont expect to be indestructable... but what we would like... is having the ability to survive a onslaught from a rogue.

@ pitbull... Yes thank you, NOW you are talking sense... If anything the following comes forward from your post... you rogues have a **** load of get out of trouble buttons. And thats what this whole QQ'ing is about.
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Yes and I agree. But we need it since we are Close combat fighters. How fair is it to be nuked from range without a chance in the world to get within a level playing field?

A good hunter will nuke a Rogue down at least 1/2 HPO before the rogue even gets close. So then they are at a 0.5/1 odds against the hunter.

I also note you mentioned shadowstep. You know that the range for Shadowstep if pretty small yes? How far is the range on your Ranged attacks?

Since hunters are the ranged DPS with a DPS pet, how is that fair then against a Class that only has Melee capabilities? Unless Rogues had those O shyt buttons they would have been your target of choice ;) Now the field is level with a 50/50 chance of winning or losing. And Hunters miss the Level 19 and level 29 Bracket where they had 100% odds.

Why single out Rogues then? What about Warrior with intercept and charge now in all stances? (These are the only 2 Melee only classes that will be WTFRAPED by Hunters without those little get out of jail buttons.) So the field is level and unfortunatley the Rogues just seem to be better at this fights.

Rogues had to sit back against Hunters from 1 - 60 Don't you think that now since the Rogues have had millions of hours practice against Hunters they are the better at the fights now?

I know the hunter class inside out now in PvP since my level 70 BG days on my rogue. Haven't played my rogue at 80 yet. But what ever you want to try in BG's I would have thought of it already ;) That is why a Rogue is better at the fights. I bet you don't know half of what the rogue is planning on doing :p (Appart from the Stunlock ofc :D)
 
Pornolio said:
At jase... Dude I think you havent played your hunter in ages.
A LOT has changed.

The old days of surviving against a rogue is long gone with BM.

The talent tree's are different now, scatter shot is moved, its no longer in the MM tree, its no longer possible to double BW via readiness... readiness is moved... survival explosive burst is nerfed. Explosive shot stun is removed.

Its very hard balancing one class and not making it overpowered against another class.

As a hunter we dont expect to be indestructable... but what we would like... is having the ability to survive a onslaught from a rogue.

@ pitbull... Yes thank you, NOW you are talking sense... If anything the following comes forward from your post... you rogues have a **** load of get out of trouble buttons. And thats what this whole QQ'ing is about.
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I could have saved myself a very long post :D

The bold part says it all. If you remove the O shyt buttons from a Rogue, and be honest, what does a rogue have to survive an onslaught from a hunter?

That being said:

You are aware that Hunters are just about the only class that can spot a rogue in Stealth via tracking humanoids? How is that not OP?
 
Esea said:
They can stealth when under attack you know
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Serpent sting + Vanish doesn't work.

Pet still charges a rogue in Stealth if set on attack before stealth and and and. There is way too many variables in BG's to be able to say a Rogue can vainsh and that is the end of the battle ;)

Same goes for any class. It's about knowing the other class and what they are about to do before they do it :)
 
Ok... :p

I get what you are saying Pitbull... I really do.
The only thing we have in our favour is the massive burst. And like I mentioned in my earlier posts... thats why we blow all our cooldowns ASAP when we see a rogue coming. Its like we have less than 2 sec's to get our burst out before mr rogue is on top of us.

In answer to your question why do we hate rogues so much vs warriors ?
Simple - With a rogue you dont get to hit back once... you die as soon as that first stun / crippling poison kicks in. Warriors we get stunned, maybe hamstringed BUT at least we get to fight back once it wears off.
Once we are stunlocked not even our pets can get us out of trouble with masters call. We cant do anything. Nothing. Even the poisons you guys get on us... its stacked FFS hehehe... even if we manage to remove one application its still on us ! This is where MR Shaman's cleansing totem fails as well.

The problem is the playing style that was given to rogues... its a coward class with regards to playing style, and as a result of it, they are a pretty much a HATED class in pvp. If they cant lock an opponent down they run away and vanish.

The sad thing is... and this is where we all end up agreeing, every class has a mortal enemy... in our case (hunters) its the rogue.

Anyway, Pitbull I salute the fact that you still try and standup for the rogue community ;)

At the end of the day, as long as you enjoy your class... as much as I get raped by rogues, I still love the hunter class.
 
Pornolio said:
At jase... Dude I think you havent played your hunter in ages.
A LOT has changed.

The old days of surviving against a rogue is long gone with BM.

The talent tree's are different now, scatter shot is moved, its no longer in the MM tree, its no longer possible to double BW via readiness... readiness is moved... survival explosive burst is nerfed. Explosive shot stun is removed.

Its very hard balancing one class and not making it overpowered against another class.

As a hunter we dont expect to be indestructable... but what we would like... is having the ability to survive a onslaught from a rogue.

@ pitbull... Yes thank you, NOW you are talking sense... If anything the following comes forward from your post... you rogues have a **** load of get out of trouble buttons. And thats what this whole QQ'ing is about.
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Granted, you are correct in that I haven't played my hunter in ages.

I feel that the OP asked initially for advice and then went on to say it is unfair (which, admittedly, got my back up). I am sorry to say but not only hunters get owned by rogues and at one stage hunters where the ones sitting at the top of the food chain. Just like warlocks and ms warriors and pallys (although I think a ret pally is still pretty much up there).

It's all cyclical, swings and roundabouts. You'll get the changes to deterrance next patch, I get another nerf to lifebloom. /shrug
 
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Pitbull said:
I could have saved myself a very long post :D

The bold part says it all. If you remove the O shyt buttons from a Rogue, and be honest, what does a rogue have to survive an onslaught from a hunter?

That being said:

You are aware that Hunters are just about the only class that can spot a rogue in Stealth via tracking humanoids? How is that not OP?
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Ok just to correct your statement Pitbull.
We dont want you guys to have less oh shyt buttons.... really we dont... we want US as in Hunter class.. to get the same priviledges as you guys. We have literally 2 useless abilities to get out of a rogue beating.

As for the stealth tracking... when last have you seen how close you have to be to a rogue before you are able to see him with track invisible characters ?
He has to be pretty much right next to you... yes then we can spot you. But then you are allready in melee range. So that fails for that ability.
 
Yup Jase... very valid point you make and I agree completely with you.

All classes get their time in the spotlight when they are OP'ed and amazing.
In current form... hunters are in the same league as shamans with being at the bottom of the food chain in PVP terms.

Anyway, there is no use in arguing about something that is being changed TOMMOROW !!! :D

Lets re-evaluate our classes with 3.2 and then we can continue whining about how underpowered we all are hehehe.

/salute myadsl SA wowers :)
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm leveling a Druid now. I play Resto in BG's and damn it, these twinked out Rogues grind my balls :D

But Hunters serioulsy annoy the crap out of me :p

I think someone mentioned it before, every class has a class the just WTFPWNED and then there is a class that WTFPWNED that class. Unless everyone plays the same class this will always be the case ;)

Do';t get me started on Mages :D
 
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Pornolio said:
Ok just to correct your statement Pitbull.
We dont want you guys to have less oh shyt buttons.... really we dont... we want US as in Hunter class.. to get the same priviledges as you guys. We have literally 2 useless abilities to get out of a rogue beating.

As for the stealth tracking... when last have you seen how close you have to be to a rogue before you are able to see him with track invisible characters ?
He has to be pretty much right next to you... yes then we can spot you. But then you are allready in melee range. So that fails for that ability.
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I stand corrected then, I didn't know that :o
 
Pornolio said:
Yup Jase... very valid point you make and I agree completely with you.

All classes get their time in the spotlight when they are OP'ed and amazing.
In current form... hunters are in the same league as shamans with being at the bottom of the food chain in PVP terms.

Anyway, there is no use in arguing about something that is being changed TOMMOROW !!! :D

Lets re-evaluate our classes with 3.2 and then we can continue whining about how underpowered we all are hehehe.

/salute myadsl SA wowers :)
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Sorry WHAT ?

Do you play on a PvE BG or PvP BG?

Shamans are kicking arse in our BG's :eek: Enchancement Shamans have instant heals on Proc and they dish out massive amounts of damage with their Lavaburts thing that was added, And also the Hexx. Seriously, Shamans if played correctly can take a whole damn FR appart....

If they are whining then they don't know what they are doing. I have seen it myself ;)
 
3.2 comes out tomorrow.. so all these arguments are pretty much pointless.

However, i laugh at any shaman that isnt resto. If they resto then i just leave them be. Same as that stupid tree...

Im excited for patch though.. it looks like Warlocks "might" become OP. Yes pls!
 
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