Hydrogen.. the way forward?

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After watching the episode on Top Gear (*runs like hell from BlueCollar*).. they featured that Honda Hydrogen car.

It seems to be a complete working concept. Are these the next generation of cars we will see on our road?

As opposed to battery electric cars?
 
Battery electric is more viable than hydrogen. Hydrogen is expensive and inefficient to manufacture, and very difficult to store and transport.
 
Battery electric is more viable than hydrogen. Hydrogen is expensive and inefficient to manufacture, and very difficult to store and transport.

Im going to quote Top Gear now.. so forgive me. Hydrogen currently costs the same amount to deploy and manufacture (currently) than what petrol does. The biggest difference being the emissions.. which for a hydrogen car is simply water. I do think that since H is the most common element in the universe... that we wont run out of it... and once enough people are into H cars.. price and distribution costs will come down.

I do know that the problems with batteries are the charge times. IE.. it takes 16 hours to charge a Tesla.. which.. if you ride lightly.. gives you a "200 mile range". Which as they pointed out in the show.. would take you 3 days to go from the BBC to Scotland.

The hydrogen car allows you to fill up at a Hydrogen station (currently there are a couple in California).. in a couple of minutes.. and then you are on the road today.

Which is a massive advantage over a battery powered car.

This is the hydrogen car they featured on Top Gear: http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

Even Jay Leno is into this car and its technology.

From what I got from Top Gear.. the H car will give you the freedom a battery car wont. Also.. dont forget where the juice for the battery car is coming from (mostly coal power stations).
 
Nice article on Wikipedia about hydrogen vehicles, but this pic from there pretty much sums it up:

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=10082&cat=500

Full article here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle

Bear in mind that with EVs using current battery technology, there's a big push to have removable batteries that are simply swapped out at charge stations, which would actually be quicker than filling up with petrol. In future we should start seeing new battery tech that can be fully charged in a matter of minutes.
 
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Hehe.. okay, make predictions. Mine is that the hydrogen powered electric car will become the car of the future as opposed to the battery powered electric car.

Unless they can come up with an orsm technology that lets you recharge all those batteries in under 5 min. People are not ganna go with long recharge times.
 
Read my edited post above re. charge times/battery swaps.
 
Hydrogen is the future because :
1) I say so
2) Top gear says so
3) On long journeys you can just top up your tank like with a normal car. No need for swapping the tank/batteries or waiting a day for it to charge. It is not different for the norm.

Please note that the above 3 points are not monkey puzzle answers, they are each facts on their own.
 
Hydrogen is the future because :
1) I say so
2) Top gear says so
3) On long journeys you can just top up your tank like with a normal car. No need for swapping the tank/batteries or waiting a day for it to charge. It is not different for the norm.

Please note that the above 3 points are not monkey puzzle answers, they are each facts on their own.

How is a battery swap inconvenient if the system is designed for batteries to quickly and easily be exchanged in a matter of minutes? Seems exactly like filling up with "fuel" to me.

Also the well to wheel efficiency of electric is far greater than hydrogen and therefore makes the most sense environmentally (which is the point of both of these technologies).
 
Compressed hydrogen in a car you travelling in...Hmmm, imagine if you are in a car accident. A very beeeg "boom" will result. Safety is a huge thing to factor in!!!
 
How is a battery swap inconvenient if the system is designed for batteries to quickly and easily be exchanged in a matter of minutes? Seems exactly like filling up with "fuel" to me.
No it does not, and batteries are much heavier. Remember most countries are NOT like SA with fuel pump attendants. It is a DIY hose and swipe job. Please will never let go of that routine, and that is why fuelcell = the future.

Also the well to wheel efficiency of electric is far greater than hydrogen and therefore makes the most sense environmentally (which is the point of both of these technologies).
Sure - but the average road user won't care about that. As long as it works the same way as it did for the last 100+ years then they will be happy.

Actually what I am saying here is nothing new and if you would just listen to the people that know a thing about two in terms of reviewing motorcars for the general public (that INCLUDED the Top Gear FCX Clarity story) then you would know that fuel cell is the future.

In the short term electric will make a killing, and I would not mind having an Opel Ampere plugged into my garage.
 
Hydrogen cars are also still very expensive. At one stage Arnie was driving a hydrogen powered Hummer around California.. the car cost $1 million. As Bluecollar says, the hydrogen manufacturing process is also very inefficient. Also, hydrogen is very dangerous to handle.. how do you spell "Hindenberg"? Electric cars can be implimented now and arent as expensive. Electric vehicles are the way to go.

IMO, the endorsement of hydrogen fueled cars is just another way of delaying any significant change. We'll stick with petrol because electric cars are to expensive to manufacture and batteries are expensive and inefficient. Now when that is not true anymore, those who stand to lose out say that we shouldn't swap to electric because actually hydrogen is the better choice. But its too expensive right now, so stick with gasoline while we try and work out the efficiencies around manufacturing hydrogen fuel and cars become cheaper. When that happens, there will be something else they can then use to delay implementation.
 
You cannot rely on a car they you need to charge every night. What if your wife goes into labor just minutes after you came home and plugged in the car?

What about millions of fuel stations already in the business of dispensing combustible liquid as a propellant for personal long distance vehicles?

Sure - electrics might become popular for shorter distances or even as golf carts. But Hydrogen is the future because it is so much like the past.
 
You cannot rely on a car they you need to charge every night. What if your wife goes into labor just minutes after you came home and plugged in the car?

What about millions of fuel stations already in the business of dispensing combustible liquid as a propellant for personal long distance vehicles?

Sure - electrics might become popular for shorter distances or even as golf carts. But Hydrogen is the future because it is so much like the past.

Roux, please read the NYT article I linked earlier - it's a very game changing idea and I honestly believe that it will shake up the whole "XXXXX is the future because it is so much like the past" way of thinking.
 
"XXXXX is the future because it is so much like the past" way of thinking.

If you think about it, countless "new" things have died because they are not like the past.

As I said, I love electric cars and I would not mind having a plug-in car myself. Personally I too feel it is better than the current situation which will not change much with hydrogen.

But one needs to be realistic and look at the other monumental failure that were only that because they were too ahead of their time.
 
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