I snapped today.

Why the hell are you quoting the bible then?

"Oh and good on OP!! Liberate thyself! Ur pops can join ur team and contrib. of gtfo.."
- Me 01:01

Please do not be so duft are you implying that one has to be white to quote/speak the english language ......even malema dump as he is he can sing that dreadfull song in english ..........

ANC 1:2 "pilitically incorrect comrade "
 
Please do not be so duft are you implying that one has to be white to quote/speak the english language ......even malema dump as he is he can sing that dreadfull song in english ..........

ANC 1:2 "pilitically incorrect comrade "
lawl
 
Thanks for the responses guys. To address some of the questions/comments:

My mother gave up work almost 30 years ago to become a housewife and raise her children, a job she has excelled at. She is now pushing 60 and for her to go back into the working world... not going to happen.

I still love my dad. He's my father, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him, and when money isn't a problem he's a great guy. But on the other hand, he has lied to his family so many times that we just can't trust him anymore. Our house on the Blouberg beachfront that he lost was in both my parents' name; he went behind my mom's back and took out a second bond on that house to fund his friend's company. When the company folded, my dad was bankrupted, and the only way we learned about it was when the Sheriff arrived and attached our belongings to cover some of my dad's debts. If we hadn't sold the house when we did, that would also have been taken from us.

Not to mention that all of the above happened in my Matric year, which was great for my grades. You know how much fun it is to come home to find half your furniture is gone? How difficult it is to sleep, wondering if your bed is going to be gone when you get home the next day?

I still love my dad, but he's betrayed his family too many times. I figure if I owe anyone 18 years of support, it's my mother, who has always been there for my brother and I (and for my dad, regardless of how many times he's f**ked up). When the whole bankruptcy issue broke, she supported the family for months on her credit card. The card was finally suspended due to non-payment when she was trying to buy me medicine for my eczema, which resulted in her having a nervous breakdown and spending 3 days in bed. She's such a strong woman that to see her broken like that...

I don't know what's wrong with my dad. I've tried to get him to go to the doctor to see if he has depression, but he's more interested in reading get-rich-quick books and thinking up ludicrous schemes for making money (his latest idea is that Google AdWords will make him rich - of course he won't say how). I have literally tried as hard as I can - we all have - and he just won't change, so the rest of the family has to.
 
Please do not be so duft are you implying that one has to be white to quote/speak the english language ......even malema dump as he is he can sing that dreadfull song in english ..........

ANC 1:2 "pilitically incorrect comrade "

:D
 
Nice, if you can afford it. The OP cant, I think.

Also, the whole taking care of your folks because they took care of you is all well and good. But supporting kids for eighteen years is a choice you make when you conceive whereas supporting parents when you might want to be thinking about starting a life of your own is not.

Also, it depends on how much you like your parents.

Very interesting perspective, and it makes sense too...
 
I've been through a similar situation to the OP.

My father lost/quit his job due to clinical depression and my mom supported the family for 10 years while he did very little to help.
Then my mom decided enough was enough and left. I moved out a few years later (got married and bought a house) and left my father on his own to fend for himself.
It wasn't an easy process to watch my father battle with his depression but it forced him into survival mode.
He had to get off his butt and try to make a living for himself.

I really battled with guilt because one does feel responsible for your parents but I have a family of my own to take care of now and I cannot put my parent's welfare before that of my family.
Being 65 doesn't mean you can sit back and let your kids look after you for the next 30 years.
I'll help my parents in the future when they really cannot help themselves (and hopefully by that stage I will have finances to support them) but while they are still able bodied they need to support themselves.

Parents are responsible for their children - not the other way around.
I never decided to have parents - they decided to have me.
It's tough standing back when you your heart wants you to dive in and help them.
 
Dude, how do you even do anything for all those people on R16k?! Especially with R10k rent?! WTF!

Its unsustainable for sure!
 
I wouldn't have told him to leave, because that affects everyone else in the house.

I would have told him that I'm leaving, and saddle him with the responsibility of running a household.

I agree with Mike, you've done enough, your dad is a gambling man and is not going to change, it is time for you to leave, give three months notice and get a place of your own. - best of luck
 
I've been through a similar situation to the OP.

My father lost/quit his job due to clinical depression and my mom supported the family for 10 years while he did very little to help.
Then my mom decided enough was enough and left. I moved out a few years later (got married and bought a house) and left my father on his own to fend for himself.
It wasn't an easy process to watch my father battle with his depression but it forced him into survival mode.
He had to get off his butt and try to make a living for himself.

I really battled with guilt because one does feel responsible for your parents but I have a family of my own to take care of now and I cannot put my parent's welfare before that of my family.
Being 65 doesn't mean you can sit back and let your kids look after you for the next 30 years.
I'll help my parents in the future when they really cannot help themselves (and hopefully by that stage I will have finances to support them) but while they are still able bodied they need to support themselves.

Parents are responsible for their children - not the other way around.
I never decided to have parents - they decided to have me.
It's tough standing back when you your heart wants you to dive in and help them.

In African culture, your children are your pension, which is why families are large.

65 is into retirement age and many children help out. I certainly have and still do.
 
In African culture, your children are your pension, which is why families are large.

65 is into retirement age and many children help out. I certainly have and still do.

What is retirement age? In fact, what is retirement?
Many leaders have worked well beyond the age of sixty five. viz Harry Oppenheimer, Anton Rupert, Raymond Ackerman.
Why should one retire if you can still add value to the business?
 
If you notice, the very rich and powerful tend to stay around. It isn't a trend adopted by manual workers for example.
 
I don't believe the story of the 2nd bond on the beach house to invest in the friends business. No ways. Sounds like another lie to cover up his gambling .
 
I have 2 friends (a brother & sister) that went through the same. In their case they moved out, got a place to share. The mom asked for a divorce & moved in with the kids. It took the dad about a year to sort his BS (simmilar quick schemes & other) & though the parents are still divorced & living seperately they are generally a happier family.
Thanks for the responses guys. To address some of the questions/comments:

My mother gave up work almost 30 years ago to become a housewife and raise her children, a job she has excelled at. She is now pushing 60 and for her to go back into the working world... not going to happen.

I still love my dad. He's my father, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him, and when money isn't a problem he's a great guy. But on the other hand, he has lied to his family so many times that we just can't trust him anymore. Our house on the Blouberg beachfront that he lost was in both my parents' name; he went behind my mom's back and took out a second bond on that house to fund his friend's company. When the company folded, my dad was bankrupted, and the only way we learned about it was when the Sheriff arrived and attached our belongings to cover some of my dad's debts. If we hadn't sold the house when we did, that would also have been taken from us.

Not to mention that all of the above happened in my Matric year, which was great for my grades. You know how much fun it is to come home to find half your furniture is gone? How difficult it is to sleep, wondering if your bed is going to be gone when you get home the next day?

I still love my dad, but he's betrayed his family too many times. I figure if I owe anyone 18 years of support, it's my mother, who has always been there for my brother and I (and for my dad, regardless of how many times he's f**ked up). When the whole bankruptcy issue broke, she supported the family for months on her credit card. The card was finally suspended due to non-payment when she was trying to buy me medicine for my eczema, which resulted in her having a nervous breakdown and spending 3 days in bed. She's such a strong woman that to see her broken like that...

I don't know what's wrong with my dad. I've tried to get him to go to the doctor to see if he has depression, but he's more interested in reading get-rich-quick books and thinking up ludicrous schemes for making money (his latest idea is that Google AdWords will make him rich - of course he won't say how). I have literally tried as hard as I can - we all have - and he just won't change, so the rest of the family has to.
 
Bonds on a dual ownership property need both parties to sign. (Unless the laws have changed?)
 
Thanks for the responses guys. To address some of the questions/comments:

My mother gave up work almost 30 years ago to become a housewife and raise her children, a job she has excelled at. She is now pushing 60 and for her to go back into the working world... not going to happen.

I still love my dad. He's my father, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him, and when money isn't a problem he's a great guy. But on the other hand, he has lied to his family so many times that we just can't trust him anymore. Our house on the Blouberg beachfront that he lost was in both my parents' name; he went behind my mom's back and took out a second bond on that house to fund his friend's company. When the company folded, my dad was bankrupted, and the only way we learned about it was when the Sheriff arrived and attached our belongings to cover some of my dad's debts. If we hadn't sold the house when we did, that would also have been taken from us.

Not to mention that all of the above happened in my Matric year, which was great for my grades. You know how much fun it is to come home to find half your furniture is gone? How difficult it is to sleep, wondering if your bed is going to be gone when you get home the next day?

I still love my dad, but he's betrayed his family too many times. I figure if I owe anyone 18 years of support, it's my mother, who has always been there for my brother and I (and for my dad, regardless of how many times he's f**ked up). When the whole bankruptcy issue broke, she supported the family for months on her credit card. The card was finally suspended due to non-payment when she was trying to buy me medicine for my eczema, which resulted in her having a nervous breakdown and spending 3 days in bed. She's such a strong woman that to see her broken like that...

I don't know what's wrong with my dad. I've tried to get him to go to the doctor to see if he has depression, but he's more interested in reading get-rich-quick books and thinking up ludicrous schemes for making money (his latest idea is that Google AdWords will make him rich - of course he won't say how). I have literally tried as hard as I can - we all have - and he just won't change, so the rest of the family has to.

Sounds like a lot of lies and deciet here, sorry to hear you going through all this. My father had a gambling addiction and many of these things are flashing red lights in my head. I must say that in many ways I agree in principle with what you did, but there is a bit more tact that could have been applied to the situation. Also some realizations you need to come to on the reality of your situation.

For instance, your mother would have only had a credit card by virtue of your fathers income. The banks could not have given her a credit card without an income so she is not really a hero for keeping the boat afloat with the credit card. Its the same things as pawning your belongings really, Its money that you dont have and is actually making the situation worse once you cap it and start getting charged interest and blacklisted etc... Which closes of other options for you that may have helped you get out of trouble.
If anything your mother was providing a false sense of security to the whole family which did far more harm than good. Now it is obvious that you love your mother very much, and maybe she thought she was doing the right thing. I am certainly not trying to belittle her, I just think you need to put it all into perspective here. You favour your mother because she walked you to pre-school, made your lunches, was home to help with homework, talk to you, bond with you etc... That whole lifestyle that you praise your mother for was totally provided by your fathers "Absence". Yes your mother might be an amazing woman, and a strong one, but I think you are perhaps biasing too much praise in her direction because she was afforded the opportunity by your dad to nurture you all day. And yes your father screwed up big time by the end, it still doesn't change the fact that he was the only source of income that kept you and your family alive, that must count for something.

I know that after so many years of lies and deciet it is really hard to step back and look at the whole picture without any bias or emotion, but I would suggest taking the time to do so. All this being said, I do believe that you did the right thing in a way. Perhaps your father is a lost cause. But perhaps you can work with him instead of against him. While his dignity is broken its much easier to be led in a direction than it is to be pushed.

I think that the advice by someone earlier in the thread is a good idea. Try applying for a CC and getting your father to do bookkeeping part time, or helping people with tax returns. He evidently must be quite good at hiding finances etc if he managed to keep a household going and had a gambling problem on the side. :) Sorry maybe that was ill-timed humour. If you control the company and all the money is paid directly to your bank account instead of to him, you can manage the money. Give him an allowance that depends on how much income he brings in. This would probably work best once he has had a fright from the current situation. Then he will be more willing to accomodate this type of idea.

Last bit of advice for anyone ever thinking of getting married. You owe it to yourself and your future family to never ever ever ever get married CoP (Community of Property). In CoP the sheriff can come and attach property etc... to pay for debts. Even if it's one persons personal/business debt and both their names are on the bond. Its seen as joint. Always marry ANC (with or without acrual depending on your preferences) As the sheriff can never attach a house in both parties names if one of the persons has a business that goes under etc... This way you can take a chance on opening your own business without screwing over your family if it goes under.
 
If the beach house was in both your parents names, your dad wouldn't have been able to get a second bond on the house, without your mom knowing about it. Something doesn't sound right there? And like someone else mentioned as well, saying that your mom supported all of you with her credit card, doesn't really count. Who paid the credit card if she didn't work? It looks like you want to see only good in your mom and only bad in your dad?
 
now this is just wrong to tell him that all he is doing is seeing the good in his mom and the bad in his father.

take another scenario - if a person continually displays bad tendencies throughout their lives without trying to better themselves will you not think that there is nothing you can do for that person? that this person is on the path of destruction?

it doesn't matter that the people in this scene are his mother and father, his father is enacting the person who continually displays someone who doesn't want to listen to advise and thinks he can get rich quick on some foolish schemes. he's just had enough and decided to voice his opinion.
 
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