ICASA ADSL Draft Regulations

[Karnaugh]

Well then they should change the CAP system, just like everyone else in the world
and the static IP problem would be resolved, just like anywhere else in the world

Perhaps they should no argument there, but the comment was that they are trying to protect their diginet market - which is clearly not the reason.

 

[jabulani]

Karnaugh wrote:

...the comment was that they are trying to protect their diginet market - which is clearly not the reason.

Things are often not done for a single reason alone. Why could they not find some other system of monitoring their blasted caps? Maybe because their current method provides a neat "technical" excuse that has the added "bonus" of protecting the diginet market. Unless you were present when those decisions were made there is no way you can claim that that is not one of the reasons - you are merely speculating.

 

[Daaru]

SAIX do not offer a static IP because it would quite obviously break their capping system.

You're going to need to explain this one to me, how would it obviously break thier capping system?

Perhaps they should no argument there, but the comment was that they are trying to protect their diginet market - which is clearly not the reason.

You're saying that they're not trying to protect thier diginet market?

 

[mccrack]

My first thought is.....

If ADSL had larger caps or no caps what would be the point of getting Diginet ?

 

[Daaru]

For it's static IPs.

 

[vbtechie]

My first thought is.....

If ADSL had larger caps or no caps what would be the point of getting Diginet ?

Static IP address, no capping, symmetrical bandwidth (same speed both ways), lower latency and no port shaping.

If you can afford to pay for the International bandwidth, you can have a technically superb connection. Big if.

 

[Daaru]

Zip! Zero! Ziltch!

I already tried running my own mailserver useing Dynamic DNS and pointing the MX records to the dynamic address. Couldn't figure out why some many messages got returned.

Guess What...

The BASTARDS at Telscum have seen fit to blacklist every IP address in their DSL pool. The address assigned to your DSL router is worth jack now.(because they know the static address can be overcome these days)!

SO to answer your question - very little.

This arguement makes no sense, you're saying that there is no point to a fixed IP because it's blacklisted.

There is no point to blacklisted IPs, yes.

But fixed IPs are very useful. Connecting to your machine from a remote location, sharing [personal] files, sharing a website, creating a mail server, creating an FTP server. You know like all the things that the internet was designed for.

 

[Roman4604]

If ADSL had larger caps or no caps what would be the point of getting Diginet ?

Uptime & performance predictability backed by SLA ... business critical applications require this.

SAIX do not offer a static IP because it would quite obviously break their capping system.

Technically SAIX could easily offer fixed IPs without breaking their current traffic counting system (based on radius stop records). I dont think their motivation is technical, but rather business (protect Diginet revenues) and to some extent user security/support (e.g. stopping a DoS on fixed IP more difficult)

 

[TheRoDent]

Uptime & performance predictability backed by SLA ... business critical applications require this.

When last did you try to actually extract an SLA document from Telkom for a Diginet service? It's almost worse than actually ordering ADSL. I dare you to ask you TelkomBusiness account representative for such an agreement.

 

[krycor]

I wonder.. if saix is claimed to be real and seperate and yet does not exist as a single entity.. if someone registers it can they claim ownership of the name etc

 

[Roman4604]

I dare you to ask you TelkomBusiness account representative for such an agreement.

IMO if you get to that stage, it too late already ... you made a really bad choice by getting your service directly from Telkom. There are many quality, experienced ISPs out there that will provide you with a much better Diginet based Internet access service.

When last did you try to actually extract an SLA document from Telkom for a Diginet service?

True all ISPs exclude 'Telkom failure' from their definition of downtime, but the reality is that the larger ISP (i.e. billed many mil p/a) have incentivised, well connected account managers who ensure priority resolution, as they have too much revenue at risk.

Also from a pure technical perspective, anyone (user or provider) with experience in Diginet will know that over last 5 years it has been way, way more stable & robust than ADSL.

 

[TheRoDent]

IMO if you get to that stage, it too late already ... you made a really bad choice by getting your service directly from Telkom. There are many quality, experienced ISPs out there that will provide you with a much better Diginet based Internet access service.

How crazy is that? I'm a pretty big Telkom customer too. At work. And I'm battling to get them to produce an SLA. Aside from that, do you realize how crazy your statement is? I need to go through a THIRD party to ensure an SLA with my network provider that is TELKOM?

True all ISPs exclude 'Telkom failure' from their definition of downtime, but the reality is that the larger ISP (i.e. billed many mil p/a) have incentivised, well connected account managers who ensure priority resolution, as they have too much revenue at risk.

Yeah, I've seen some of these "well-incentivised" account managers. One of them drives a Z4. One has to wonder who pays for it? The ISP that bribes them for decent SLAs or the people Telkom are raping for internet bandwidth?

Also from a pure technical perspective, anyone (user or provider) with experience in Diginet will know that over last 5 years it has been way, way more stable & robust than ADSL.

Sure, it's not an SLA'd business service, but then again, getting an SLA out of Diginet is near as impossible. The fact is that DSL supplies chunks of highspeed, low-latency access. For burst traffic, or auxilliary (e.g. multimedia delivery) it's an extremely viable technology for any business whose business is delivery of information.

 

[Roman4604]

Aside from that, do you realize how crazy your statement is? I need to go through a THIRD party to ensure an SLA with my network provider that is TELKOM?

As I said you wont get an SLA on the physical line, just easy accessibility (24/7), fast responses, decent feedback and rapid problem resolution. Choosing between Telkom and a 3rd party ISP is an accessibility/people/mgmt/procedures, not physical infrastructure choice.

All your Diginets are belonging to Telkodemonopoly!!!

Pretty obvious to any IT manager/CIO, what I am referring to is service management, not the physical service itself, and thats what counts to them ... whose ass can I kick when thing go pear shaped and how quickly do they react, feedback & resolve.

Getting your Diginet based Internet access service from a 3rd party ISP will result in one of the following ...

- Line(s) are in the customers name and ISP acts as a service management agent
- Line(s) are in the ISP name (wholesale Diginet)

In both cases the IT manager/CIO still has a single point of accountability ... but unlike Telkom, it actually delivers!

 

[Ben]

Ben

This is fantastic. Best news ive heard all year.

Congrats to everyone that made this possible o/

I was employed for 40 years with Telkom and now have to pay full price for my ADSL One would think after giving half of one life that they would at least
compensated retired pensioners. But it looks like it all revovles around money.
Well pleased with the new opposition will support them all the way.
I also fully back all the the new rules pending for a better ADSL services in SA

 

[Ben]

Ben

Very good ...Cannot wait to see it implemented

Good work everyone.

Keep up the pace

 

[BTTB]

Very good ...Cannot wait to see it implemented

Good work everyone.

Keep up the pace

Welcome to MyADSL Ben.

 

[.geek]

I was employed for 40 years with Telkom and now have to pay full price for my ADSL One would think after giving half of one life that they would at least
compensated retired pensioners.

Is this the norm for all companies?

 

[Kalvaer]

I was employed for 40 years with Telkom
...

Firstly like everyone else said "WELCOME to MYADSL"

Then I'd like to ask a serious question. How did you last that long?

 

[Arthur]

Before more schmarmy comments about Ben being at Telkom for 40 years, remember that for all 40 of those years Telkom was the only game in town, so if you loved telecommunications you had a choice of 1 out of 1. We should thank him for being part of the system that's gotten us the largest and best telecom infrastructure on the continent. The silly government rules that maintained a monopoly (and so cramped development) are not his fault.

 

[st3ve]

Back to the draft: Do I understand this correctly?

Point 1. The proposal is that Telkom (As the Network operator) can only charge a once off connectivity charge for ADSL and then line rental for basic telephony. (2.2)

Q: Connectivity charge I can understand, but why are we still paying line rental?

Point 2. Telkom will sell the bandwidth to the ISP at wholesale rates. (2.4)

Point 3. The ISP will charge for the bandwidth on a monthly basis and the minimum offer must be 10GB (3.4) at a minimum d/load speed of 256 Kbps (Definition Broadband acccording to ICASA document) and u/load of 384 kbps (8ix).

Q1: How much will the bandwidth sell for and how much more will we have to pay our ISP? Is this not simply a way for Telkom to distance itself further from the end user by selling the same bandwidth that it's already selling to us, as wholesale and then letting the ISP's charge the individual user?

Q2: Is there a difference bewteen Kbps and kbps or is that a typo in the draft?

Point 4. The 10GB cap will not apply to local browsing. (3.4)

Good