ICASA ADSL Draft Regulations

[antowan]

Karnaugh

Its unlikely that 1 000 000 subscribers equals 512Gbps of network throughput. Right now the majority of broadband subscribers are early adopters, most of whom, use the Internet heavily. When prices come to down to say R100 for a broadband connection, the vast majority of users will use the Internet for light surfing and email. In any case, assuming we did use 512Gbps of throughput, I am sure that there will be ample incentive for an international player to come in and provide the needed bandwidth at reduced cost. Right now, Telkom is the only company permitted to provide good quality international bandwidth.

In any case, basically the long and the short of it is, if Telkom cannot provide affordable Internet access.. then they must move to Zimbabwe or something. The SA public has had enough of being raped by a company that was setup to serve them in the first place.

Well said!

 

[Karnaugh]

Its unlikely that 1 000 000 subscribers equals 512Gbps of network throughput.

Of course not, but then you all complain that Telkom isn't giving you the bandwidth you're paying for.

 

[antowan]

Good, you're catching on. I long since stopped wasting my time giving usefull input since everyone here is too ignorant to take it into account and then I get accused of working for Telkom. How very boring. Why should I exersise any effort into explaining anything to a bunch of noisy brats who are only interested in their own end motives, and only interested in the outcome that they want.



The part where REGULATION achieves it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thus you are for leaving Telkom alone and a "shut up" policy? Yes?

 

[antowan]

Odd how people finger me as being "negative"

I've yet to see a positive post about these regulations on IOZ, and I suspect there won't be any from anyone worth listening to.

Care to share some of these views or point us to them. Would love to read them...

 

[jamieb]

We complain because we are the early adopters. We are the heavy users. Our role is push the boundaries of technology. South Africa needs us!! Telkom need us!! If what you are claiming is true, then Telkom needs to cross subsidize our use of the Internet, until the masses come on board. When the masses do come on board, they will have people around who know how the technology works & who can help them solve their problems.

 

[Franna]

1 000 000 subscribers = 512Gbps of network throughput, unless you're suggesting that Telkom don't expand their network to cater for these new customers.

That is shared bandwidth, not dedicated like a leased line. This is where contention ratios come in. With Telkom's rumored 200:1 ratio, the total throughput needed on the local backbone is 2.56 Gbps and not 512Gbps.

For the international link more contention ratios will apply. 1Gbps international bandwidth would be more than adequate to handle 1,000,000 ADSL subscribers. My personal opinion is that at any given time only 20% of ADSL users is using 80% of their available international bandwidth. Add cache proxy servers in the mix and the required international bandwidth is even less.

 

[nGAGEd55]

To make it worse they say no shaping this means that a GB will cost R100 (I think this is what was quoted when Telkom announced the GB tariffs.) Thankyou ICASA but I do not want a 10GB accout @ R100/G.

To sell an Unshaped account costs telkom no more than selling shaped ones, so in the end it shouldnt cost that much.

 

[Peapod]

what a damn shame such a monumental achievement for the consumer has to decend so rapidly into a flame war bunfight. Belt up the lot of you and realise what an amazing achievement this is for a bunch of geeks on an internet forum. If Telkom don't realise it yet, they will soon, the consumer has had ENOUGH and we CAN force change and we and DO have teeth.
Instead of posturing and flaming each other, lets get our strategy sorted out to counter Telkoms no doubt already being spin doctored response.
This is where we need to dig deep.
RPM, I am happy to make a presentation to ICASA

 

[kaspaas]

First prize:

a policy decision that 24/7 end user internet connectivity is going to be deregulated within 3 years...

First step: VANS may self provide bandwith for connecting end users to the internet...

And then the alarm clock disturbed my dreams...

 

[sunsoffun]

This is only draft regs, it will take another year before it even gets close to a bill and maybe another year after that before it gets even close to inactment... if it even gets that far. Dont get over excited, we all know what SA is like... all talk, no action.

 

[Karnaugh]

For the international link more contention ratios will apply. 1Gbps international bandwidth would be more than adequate to handle 1,000,000 ADSL subscribers.

Hehe, and who are you and what is your oppinion based on? Another MyADSL thumb suck to be proposed to ICASA for implementation?

Lets assume that everyone uses their 10GB cap and nothing more (a conservative estimate)
Thats one million customers, using 80 Gbits. Dividing that over an average month.
(1000000*10*8)/(30*24*60*60) = 30Gbit/s

SAIX has a combined total of aproximately 1.2Gbit/s of international bandwidth, and even less than that is assigned to ADSL. Thats quite a shortfall, even if you were to take switching into account.

 

[afused]

To sell an Unshaped account costs telkom no more than selling shaped ones, so in the end it shouldnt cost that much.

Why do you think equipment manufacturers sell boxes costing $millions to ISPs to help save them? It is because not all apps can be treated similiar and some are not time sesitive (like downloads) while others like browsing and gaming like quick response. i.e. there is value in it.

 

[afused]

we can not assume everyone use 10GB. It was stated that the average use is less than 3GB.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

we can not assume everyone use 10GB. It was stated that the average use is less than 3GB.

this is because we dont know what the true average is. this false average is based on telkoms capping, and hence users have to budget their bandwidth accordingly. if it were an uncapped service, the average would be far higher.

 

[afused]

this is because we dont know what the true average is. this false average is based on telkoms capping, and hence users have to budget their bandwidth accordingly. if it were an uncapped service, the average would be far higher.

were you out of the country on 1 November. Telkom does not CAP. You buy from your ISP what you need. Look at the ads on MyADSL site.

 

[sunsoffun]

Hehe, and who are you and what is your oppinion based on? Another MyADSL thumb suck to be proposed to ICASA for implementation?

Lets assume that everyone uses their 10GB cap and nothing more (a conservative estimate)
Thats one million customers, using 80 Gbits. Dividing that over an average month.
(1000000*10*8)/(30*24*60*60) = 30Gbit/s

why are you multipling it by 8?

 

[MaD]

RPM? You think this is good for anything? I thought you were an educated person.

Karnaugh? Has someone else got hold of your login details? That was a cringeworthy comment

Wow now someone is lecturing economies of scale to me.
Did you forget the fact that economics involves finite resources vurses infinite consumer demands?
1 000 000 subscribers = 512Gbps of network throughput, unless you're suggesting that Telkom don't expand their network to cater for these new customers.

If i'm not mistaken, and this is a very quick calculation:
1 000 000 subscribers @ 1024kbps = 34Gbps at 30:1 contention
1 000 000 subscribers @ 512kbps = 17Gbps at 30:1 contention
1 000 000 subscribers @ 384kbps = 12.8Gbps at 30:1 contention
1 000 000 subscribers @ 192kbps = 6.4Gbps at 30:1 contention

If only a million connections needed 512Gbps of bandwidth, countries would have to start lighting up their dark fibre like it's Guy Fawkes on the 4th of July.

 

[sunsoffun]

were you out of the country on 1 November. Telkom does not CAP. You buy from your ISP what you need. Look at the ads on MyADSL site.

They just charge you an arm and a leg for it. I want to see what happens in December if people will be getting away with what amount they have been downloading recently from TelkomInternet.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

were you out of the country on 1 November. Telkom does not CAP. You buy from your ISP what you need. Look at the ads on MyADSL site.

most people CANNOT afford to use more, thats the bottom line. yes we may be able to buy more, that doesnt necessarily mean we can afford it. the "average person uses less than 3gigs" arguement holds no grounds now. this was an average used pre-01/11 and by saying that telkom's isp branch does not cap - look at what the averages are post-01/11 and tell me if its still under 3gigs

 

[doekvoet]

Telkom is alreadyn throwing the toys out the cot.....................

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/shares/ict_sector/645084.htm

"Steven White, Telkom’s executive for product development, says the proposed removal of the monthly fee is “not doable. That’s the bottom line.”


"Asked what Telkom would do if the regulations went through in their current form, White said it would like the opportunity to sit down with Icasa and explain what the cost recoverables etc are. He says its current findings are “fundamentally flawed.”"


Telkom should not be allowed to sit down with Icasa - whatever they have to or want to say they should say at the public oral presentations which should happen early in the new year