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kaspaas said:
Be realistic: Who do you think will foot the bill for that investment? They're not going to make R30 000 000 000 from the world cup alone. Telkom's policy is to make its money back ASAP, which means that their prices are going to stay high for as long as the law lets them.
Sneeky
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The linear scale used for selling bandwitdh is absurd!!!!!
eg,, 1 gig R70 2 gigs R140 20 gigs R1400
and this for shaped bandwitdh, whats the shaping bull!
Shaping must go.
More players independant of Telkom (real competition)
Tsunami's or not (rofl Lyndall), government needs to reduce its conflict of interest.
SAT-3, give it back to the people that paid for it.
Dialup must be freecalls
eg,, 1 gig R70 2 gigs R140 20 gigs R1400
and this for shaped bandwitdh, whats the shaping bull!
Shaping must go.
More players independant of Telkom (real competition)
Tsunami's or not (rofl Lyndall), government needs to reduce its conflict of interest.
SAT-3, give it back to the people that paid for it.
Dialup must be freecalls
why is there a telkom fee on top of the isp charges. this is double billing at its worst. countries like uk, oz, us, etc. dont have this so why should s.africans have to pay their telecoms provider and a separate isp fee? additionally the cost and QoS needs to be investigated. in order to make internet accessible to the masses proces must come DOWN. Whilst one may argue that prices have come down recently, not enough has been done. access to the internet is no longer a provilege but a basic right of all individuals so PRICES need to come down.
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I think the most important would be service level agreements. I am paying for a service provided by Telkom and need some guarantees as to the minimum level of service to be expected.
For instance if a call is logged for a faulty line what is the expected time until the problem is resolved.
How long until my phone call is answered when logging a fault.
For instance if a call is logged for a faulty line what is the expected time until the problem is resolved.
How long until my phone call is answered when logging a fault.
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BTech sits at his monitor waiting for a usually slow shaped crawling download and drifts of in a hazy daydream of life in the US....
- Free local unlimited bandwidth (including dial-up users)
- No cap
- 2mbps for $25-00 per month
Aww WAKE UP BTECH ..who YOU kidding. YOU should rather immigrate.
So sick of lies!!
State Controlled Broadband in RSA is a global embarresment. Unfortunately govt won't wake up in time. C'mon just for one day SAIX drop the shaping, cap etc and lets see if the sat3 cable melts...bet you it won't.
- Free local unlimited bandwidth (including dial-up users)
- No cap
- 2mbps for $25-00 per month
Aww WAKE UP BTECH ..who YOU kidding. YOU should rather immigrate.
So sick of lies!!
State Controlled Broadband in RSA is a global embarresment. Unfortunately govt won't wake up in time. C'mon just for one day SAIX drop the shaping, cap etc and lets see if the sat3 cable melts...bet you it won't.
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BTech said:
It won't because your line speed sucks...
Lack of Commitment, Solidarity, Skills, Vision, Who cares anyway.
When the oilprice jumps to usd 80/barrel few will blame government for failure,rightly so, that is simply not in their reach.
Governments worldwide history learns have when it comes to year on year
basis a modest impact on how the economy develops, sure it can opt on
a regular basis to invest in infrastructure and other things, overspend a bit
and hope to have a positive impact to get the economy going again, create some jobs etc.When that is done over a longer period and implemented
municipal and provincial solid knowledgeable structures it will have a positive
impact.
Once in the so many years an opportunity arises where the possibilities and
impact of technology provides opportunities which can contribute to all sorts
of initiatives which can help on a structural basis to improve the quality of live.Internet as it develops is such an opportunity.
The quality of education at schools is very poor and does not educate for this
planet which is a serious problem, on the countryside a large % is at the age
of 4/5 already sofar behind in mental and physical development that they are
l not able to bridge that gap and at 12/13 year leave school.Lost forever.
Individual tuition at school with computer programms offer great possibilities.
For women at home it could provide all sorts of opportunities to make a living
and give acces to information and to the world.100 of thousand of jobs can be created, quality of live, acces to information can have a massive impact
on the society.
The price for wired/wireless internet sofar, and when one looks what is in the pipeline will continue to fall dramatically the years to come.
In the USA a USD 20,- monthpackage 512/1024 capless is quite normal.
If one could only start to provide a VOIP wireless phone service to the poor
they will consume a fraction and for 10 /20 cent per minute everyone can
have a wireless phone.A basic phone let say for 1o dollar is all it takes.
All sorts of other possibilities like internet banking, using the mobile phone for
retail related payments etc etc etc
A coordinated approach could be roled out in "no time"
The amount of money and support from the foreign coorporate world to partially finance it is available and already used all over Africa but is more often than not a waste for all sorts of reasons.
Unemployment and poverty are bad enough, a lack of commitment, sense of
urgency is nowhere to be seen.A serious leadership crisis which worst case
scenario will last until the end of 2007 , the quality of leadership and the
complete absence of solidarity with the poor hinders any form of serious
improvements.The roadmap to 2014 lacks ambition and is contributing to kickstart a sense of positive initiatives where people can see with their own
eyes that thingr are improving.
i am glad that i don't have to tell publically that telecommunication rates are
not too expensive.
I quess enough has been said about that,i would perhaps add, have a look
what Telkom, Vodacom,MSN, Cell C are spending per year on marketing/publicity, that must be a schizofrenic amount of money.
Stop blaiming TELKOM, they are as good as the government allows them to be.
When the oilprice jumps to usd 80/barrel few will blame government for failure,rightly so, that is simply not in their reach.
Governments worldwide history learns have when it comes to year on year
basis a modest impact on how the economy develops, sure it can opt on
a regular basis to invest in infrastructure and other things, overspend a bit
and hope to have a positive impact to get the economy going again, create some jobs etc.When that is done over a longer period and implemented
municipal and provincial solid knowledgeable structures it will have a positive
impact.
Once in the so many years an opportunity arises where the possibilities and
impact of technology provides opportunities which can contribute to all sorts
of initiatives which can help on a structural basis to improve the quality of live.Internet as it develops is such an opportunity.
The quality of education at schools is very poor and does not educate for this
planet which is a serious problem, on the countryside a large % is at the age
of 4/5 already sofar behind in mental and physical development that they are
l not able to bridge that gap and at 12/13 year leave school.Lost forever.
Individual tuition at school with computer programms offer great possibilities.
For women at home it could provide all sorts of opportunities to make a living
and give acces to information and to the world.100 of thousand of jobs can be created, quality of live, acces to information can have a massive impact
on the society.
The price for wired/wireless internet sofar, and when one looks what is in the pipeline will continue to fall dramatically the years to come.
In the USA a USD 20,- monthpackage 512/1024 capless is quite normal.
If one could only start to provide a VOIP wireless phone service to the poor
they will consume a fraction and for 10 /20 cent per minute everyone can
have a wireless phone.A basic phone let say for 1o dollar is all it takes.
All sorts of other possibilities like internet banking, using the mobile phone for
retail related payments etc etc etc
A coordinated approach could be roled out in "no time"
The amount of money and support from the foreign coorporate world to partially finance it is available and already used all over Africa but is more often than not a waste for all sorts of reasons.
Unemployment and poverty are bad enough, a lack of commitment, sense of
urgency is nowhere to be seen.A serious leadership crisis which worst case
scenario will last until the end of 2007 , the quality of leadership and the
complete absence of solidarity with the poor hinders any form of serious
improvements.The roadmap to 2014 lacks ambition and is contributing to kickstart a sense of positive initiatives where people can see with their own
eyes that thingr are improving.
i am glad that i don't have to tell publically that telecommunication rates are
not too expensive.
I quess enough has been said about that,i would perhaps add, have a look
what Telkom, Vodacom,MSN, Cell C are spending per year on marketing/publicity, that must be a schizofrenic amount of money.
Stop blaiming TELKOM, they are as good as the government allows them to be.
HaltAndCatchFire
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I agree with the, idea of mentioning the world cup, it is a hot topic at the moment and how effective, cheap and reliable broadband access will be key in presenting a world class event like this!
And like all the others:
Price: Line rental + adsl package price, is absurd! this is, as far as I know, not the norm anywhere else. The adsl rental should replace the normal line rental!! Also the price of the adsl package rental should go down, even if it is only a bit more! ( not being too optimistic! ) to make it accesible to all South Africans.
Cap: The cap should be more in line with the world trend! mention that other countries also utilizing sat-3 are paying less for adsl!! and that, local should not be capped at all, local access is soooo vital for smme's and home users and well every one, for that matter! Like mentioned earlier the linear pricing scale is also a worrying factor!
Also a solid SLA!!
So in short, everything said at last hearing, the price issue ,cap and no shaping!
And like all the others:
Price: Line rental + adsl package price, is absurd! this is, as far as I know, not the norm anywhere else. The adsl rental should replace the normal line rental!! Also the price of the adsl package rental should go down, even if it is only a bit more! ( not being too optimistic!
) to make it accesible to all South Africans.Cap: The cap should be more in line with the world trend! mention that other countries also utilizing sat-3 are paying less for adsl!! and that, local should not be capped at all, local access is soooo vital for smme's and home users and well every one, for that matter! Like mentioned earlier the linear pricing scale is also a worrying factor!
Also a solid SLA!!
So in short, everything said at last hearing, the price issue ,cap and no shaping!
LordMerlin
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Why bother?
Apart from the fact that you're waisting time, and money, you're also creating a falso hope. There is no such thing as resolution in South Africa, especially if it means someone, somewhere will be earning less. If Telkom (and their shareholders) can't pocket millions from us, they won't change their services and products.
I mean, who in their rightfull mind will pay R300 a month for something called "free calls"????? WTF? How do you pay for something free? Don't get your hopes up high. Don't expect them to either decrease the price, or increase the CAP, how will they make money then? Who cares if we are the most expensive in the world? No one, cause they want to make their 500% + markup, doesn't matter how they brand / package it.
Apart from the fact that you're waisting time, and money, you're also creating a falso hope. There is no such thing as resolution in South Africa, especially if it means someone, somewhere will be earning less. If Telkom (and their shareholders) can't pocket millions from us, they won't change their services and products.
I mean, who in their rightfull mind will pay R300 a month for something called "free calls"????? WTF? How do you pay for something free? Don't get your hopes up high. Don't expect them to either decrease the price, or increase the CAP, how will they make money then? Who cares if we are the most expensive in the world? No one, cause they want to make their 500% + markup, doesn't matter how they brand / package it.
1. cost...bring it down
2. Telkom lazy attitude...our company has been waiting 2 months to have an ADSL line installed
3. ADSL is not true 24/7 connectivity...it cant be if telkom drops the line every night
4. The international bandwidth is available to cope...telkom choose to strangle the country for the sake of the CEO's 7 digit bonus and fuel for his 4x4
2. Telkom lazy attitude...our company has been waiting 2 months to have an ADSL line installed
3. ADSL is not true 24/7 connectivity...it cant be if telkom drops the line every night
4. The international bandwidth is available to cope...telkom choose to strangle the country for the sake of the CEO's 7 digit bonus and fuel for his 4x4
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At the hearing, bring to their attention that p2p, video streaming, voice, and other streaming users are NOT abusers. THAT is exactly why people want fast speed connection. In my opinion, very few "normal" users complain about dail-up speed or ISDN speed IF they only want to read emails. ADSL users want to use it for what the rest of the world use it - highspeed, broadband, not a superfast email connection.
Telkom must stop offering a third world service at the highest price and remove capping and shapping. They should offer free dail-up internet service, for those that want it and charge reasonable fees for faster services such as ISDN and ADSL.
If Telkom do that, THEN Telkom will show that they:
- Are proud and passionate about who they are and what they do.
- Act with honesty and integrity.
- Promote an entrepreneurial and innovative mindset.
- Treasure diversity.
- Are performance driven.
Telkom must stop offering a third world service at the highest price and remove capping and shapping. They should offer free dail-up internet service, for those that want it and charge reasonable fees for faster services such as ISDN and ADSL.
If Telkom do that, THEN Telkom will show that they:
- Are proud and passionate about who they are and what they do.
- Act with honesty and integrity.
- Promote an entrepreneurial and innovative mindset.
- Treasure diversity.
- Are performance driven.
Invest in the future - Achieve Connectivity Critical Mass
Just a few quick thoughts...
1. The rest of the world has long since embraced the networked/connected paradigm.
2. By making the technology accessible to the masses (ie cheaper, reliable and ubiquitous)
this will not only empower/liberate people it will also stimulate and grow the economy.
The rest of the world has gone past Web 2.0 and are traversing Web 3.0.
3. We do not have the network infrastructure to handle the 2010 world cup.
4. Educate, advertise, educate, educate
Just a few quick thoughts...
1. The rest of the world has long since embraced the networked/connected paradigm.
2. By making the technology accessible to the masses (ie cheaper, reliable and ubiquitous)
this will not only empower/liberate people it will also stimulate and grow the economy.
The rest of the world has gone past Web 2.0 and are traversing Web 3.0.
3. We do not have the network infrastructure to handle the 2010 world cup.
4. Educate, advertise, educate, educate