IE8 out today

Arthur said:
Sorry your flabber is ghasted. As most independent reviewers report, IE8 is more secure than IE7, which is why I'm getting it as soon as the servers settle down a little.
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Which is like saying Hitler was less insane that Genghis Kahn.... IMHO

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Paul Thurrott:
But the world is ever changing, of course, and many IE versions have been developed as responses to industry or technological trends over the years. The original version of IE was created out of fears that Netscape would establish the platform of the future. IE 4 was a response to push services. IE 7 was about meeting and in some cases exceeding the functional expectations established by browser competitors such as Firefox. These products evolved over a period of many years, and each addressed the needs of the day.

So what are the needs of the day, today? Well, as noted before, the computing public is spending more and more time online. So the interface they use for those activities--the web browser--needs to be fast, stable, and secure. For businesses, it needs to be deployable and manageable, functionality that still eludes all other browser makers. For developers, browsers should adhere to accepted web standards, easing the development of web sites, applications, and services. But as we move into a world where the display of these products becomes a commodity, browsers must also learn to compete "beyond the page," as Microsoft says. And here, IE stands alone in many ways: With IE 8, Microsoft has dramatically expanded the capabilities of the browser outside of the viewable display area, and in the surrounding chrome.

This latter bit pushes some of IE 8's capabilities from the "need" category into the "want" category, and it this kind of functionality, I think, that really sets IE 8 apart from the competition. That's not to downplay IE 8's security, performance, reliability, and manageability advantages, all of which we'll examine here as well. But as you think about how we use the browser, and our increased reliance on information that is found far beyond our PCs, I think you'll agree that IE 8 offers some unique advantages over products like Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome.

Let's take a look.
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I only install IE now when I have to test a site's compatibility with Mozilla. As I still run W2K on my dev box, which, IMHO happens to be the cleanest, fastest, most stable, smallest and easiest to use MS OS out there at the moment (I have WMWare VMs for other OS's). It annoys me that most other browsers are supported on the OS, with the exception of Chrome (shame on you Google), but IE is not.

I have the same issue with the latest MS codecs and even MS's own virtualisation tool. It seems to me like a lesson in "what not to do" when "a good portion of your support base" is still running on that platform. I understand the "forced upgrade path" theory, but I think MS is cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. XP was more cumbersome to use than W2k, and don't get me started on Vista :sick:.
 
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ie can't remember passwords, can't block ads, can't block annoying flash elements, can't be modified, crashes other (Microsoft!) progs like live mail, and...and... and....For god's sake, it's just a poxy browser, and would have (should have) been forgotten and relegated to oblivion had it not been for the fact that it's bundled with every version of windows ever made. "How do i surf the net, Mavis?" "Duh, you click the big blue "E" on your desktop, that's how Enid"

Thank goodness for competition. I hope ie dies with windows 8, and ms stop trying to uberpatch their archaic code and just let it die. They suck at web browsers, - wish they'd just admit it and move on.

And i wish they'd stop blocking windows update in firefox, so i could uninstall their crappy browser once and for all.
 
Grouter said:
ie can't remember passwords, can't block ads, can't block annoying flash elements, can't be modified, crashes other (Microsoft!) progs like live mail, and...and... and....For god's sake, it's just a poxy browser
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huh? cant remember passwords, you sure? gawd i can't even remember the pass i registered with here, but i'm in though. :D

block ads? you mean FF and chrome can block ads, or do you mean popups? erm popups get blocked in IE, not sure what ur using:confused:

cant block annoying flash elem... :confused:lol if flash is annoying thats hardly IE's fault

can't be modified...thank gawd! all the hacking you can do on FF helped me make it a dangerous thing to use, wait...then you'd blame the add-on, not the browser right?:o

proxy browser...HAVE you used other browsers and seen their identical-to-ie proxy settings?:confused:

LOL* your ranting seems so misguided its just sad. It's like your anti-microsoft boys club might kick you out for not supporting the cause

maybe taking a closer, more objective look at the stuff you so clearly hate would be good for the soul, you might even realise you're defending some outdated arguments...:)
 
I use IE7, FF and Chrome. IE7 because some sites (and device interfaces) don't work on anything else. FF because the add-ons are great for web development. Chrome because I love it; for browsing the web, its so fast and responsive, it can't be beat.
 
SEPKO said:
huh? cant remember passwords, you sure? gawd i can't even remember the pass i registered with here, but i'm in though. :D

block ads? you mean FF and chrome can block ads, or do you mean popups? erm popups get blocked in IE, not sure what ur using:confused:

cant block annoying flash elem... :confused:lol if flash is annoying thats hardly IE's fault

can't be modified...thank gawd! all the hacking you can do on FF helped me make it a dangerous thing to use, wait...then you'd blame the add-on, not the browser right?:o

proxy browser...HAVE you used other browsers and seen their identical-to-ie proxy settings?:confused:

LOL* your ranting seems so misguided its just sad. It's like your anti-microsoft boys club might kick you out for not supporting the cause

maybe taking a closer, more objective look at the stuff you so clearly hate would be good for the soul, you might even realise you're defending some outdated arguments...:)
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I've probably been on the internet longer than you've been alive, friend. Have you ever used firefox? Or anything other than internet explorer? And I called it a POXY browser. As in : IT SUX.

I'm not anti ms. I use windows - I actually like vista. But ie? Please. Leave developing a web browser to people who can do a decent job of it. Worry about the os. You need to.
 
Review: Internet Explorer 8 is new and improved -- is it back on top?

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9129906

Internet Explorer 8 has shipped in its final version and is ready to take on its rivals. This latest version of Microsoft's browser leapfrogs its closest competition, Firefox 3, for basic browsing and productivity features -- it has better tab handling, a niftier search bar, a more useful address bar, and new tools that deliver information directly from other Web pages and services. IE8 has also been tweaked for security and includes a so-called "porn mode," new anti-malware protection, and better ways to protect your privacy.
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Review continues.... see link.
 
*yawn* it fails acid3, man Microsoft are slow... when will they catchup? with ie9?
 
Project X said:
My friend your facing the wrong way, by looking back you will actually be looking forward, where you need to be looking.;)
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Opera is good, I'm using 10 and the feature I love most is the images button to save bandwidth.
 
SEPKO said:
huh? cant remember passwords, you sure? gawd i can't even remember the pass i registered with here, but i'm in though. :D

block ads? you mean FF and chrome can block ads, or do you mean popups? erm popups get blocked in IE, not sure what ur using:confused:
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No, he means ads. Chrome can't (afaik), but with firefox you can (with an addon) block all ads on all pages, whitelist pages etc. You should try it somethime, it makes the web a much tidier, less-blinking place.

SEPKO said:
cant block annoying flash elem... :confused:lol if flash is annoying thats hardly IE's fault
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Nobody said it was IE's fault, but it is nice to be able to remove the things that you don't want to be irritated by.

SEPKO said:
can't be modified...thank gawd! all the hacking you can do on FF helped me make it a dangerous thing to use, wait...then you'd blame the add-on, not the browser right?:o
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I have different needs and preferences to you and to the next person - I like to be able to modify my browser to suit me, rather than to fir in with what my browser thinks is best for the majority of users.

SEPKO said:
proxy browser...HAVE you used other browsers and seen their identical-to-ie proxy settings?:confused:
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He said poxy - but while we're on the subject of proxies, I have to use a couple of different proxies at work, and a different one at home. I have a drop down box next to the address bar that lets me easily change between preconfigured proxies, cna you do that with IE?

SEPKO said:
LOL* your ranting seems so misguided its just sad. It's like your anti-microsoft boys club might kick you out for not supporting the cause

maybe taking a closer, more objective look at the stuff you so clearly hate would be good for the soul, you might even realise you're defending some outdated arguments...:)
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I'm not anti-MS, I just prefer something else. I'm not sure which is the outdated argument?

But if you're excited about IE8 good for you and I hope you enjoy entering the twenty-first century. :)
 
Grouter said:
You do know that Paul Thurrott is a well-known MS fanboy and a$$kisser, don't you? He's hardly an 'independant reviewer' in my book. I think he's on ms's payroll, personally.
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No he's not - that's absurd. You're just making that up because you don't like what he says. And making up 'facts' to slight someone is morally worse than anything you accuse Microsoft of, frankly. There's another word for it, beginning with h and ending in y.

Yes, unlike the usual crowd who can't resist an opportunity to slag off on Microsoft no matter how ignorant or gratuitous, he's at least fair. On the contrary, he's well known for scathing criticisms when they're due, but at least he knows what he's talking about, which is more than one can say for the oh-so-tedious MS-can-do-nothing-right commenst by the usual suspects.

You know what's really sad? The perpetually and predicably negative knee-jerk comments on Microsoft actually harm the credibility of the whole open source movement (of which I'm a big supporter).
 
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