IE8 out today

Arthur said:
No he's not - that's absurd. You're just making that up because you don't like what he says. And making up 'facts' to slight someone is morally worse than anything you accuse Microsoft of, frankly. There's another word for it, beginning with h and ending in y.

Yes, unlike the usual crowd who can't resist an opportunity to slag off on Microsoft no matter how ignorant or gratuitous, he's at least fair. On the contrary, he's well known for scathing criticisms when they're due, but at least he knows what he's talking about, which is more than one can say for the oh-so-tedious MS-can-do-nothing-right commenst by the usual suspects.

You know what's really sad? The perpetually and predicably negative knee-jerk comments on Microsoft actually harm the credibility of the whole open source movement (of which I'm a big supporter).
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I stand by what I said - do a bit of googling on Paul Thurrott* and see what you find. I agree he's a knowledgeable and respected IT journo and I often read what he has to say, but I find he's biased in favour of MS products.

I like MS products actually. I use and enjoy Vista as my primary OS .
I use windows live mail - I reckon it's the best mail client I've ever had. But I use Firefox for my internet browsing because I can customize it, block advertising, block flash content, and make it look the way I want, and do what I want it to do.

I took 20 urls I visit often and opened them in 20 tabs in firefox running adblock and flashblock. I then opened the same 20 urls in ie. The bandwidth difference? Over 10Mb. I visit those sites every day. That translates to over 300Mb in a month - and the average Joe gets a gig a month on his Do Broadband contract. So that's a third of his cap gone on downloading content he doesn't want, doesn't look at, and would rather not have. And please don't tell me that if it weren't for the ads, we wouldn't have an internet. As one of it's founders was quoted in a MyBB news article last week:

"There are some things I don't like at all, such as the fact that people have to live off advertising," said Caillau, who preferred the idea of direct "micro payments" to information providers."

So to anyone who still wants to use ie: be my guest. I'll stick to Firefox.

*http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/18/dan-lyons-paul-thurrott-the-fake-and-the-phony/
http://www.tuaw.com/tag/Paul+Thurrott/
http://fakepaul.blogspot.com/
http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/command_option_control
http://thesmallwave.com/2008/09/08/paul-thurrott-thinks-apple-is-bad-imagine-that/
 
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Grouter, you are a ignoramus. It is quite obvious that you have not used IE8. Stop trying so hard to convince everyone that you are the uber surfer and knowit all of the interweb. Your lack of knowledge on IE8 is showing quite clearly. Stick to FF and forums meant for it.
 
He didnt say pRoxy browser, he said poxy. Poxy - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poxy

You know, with all their money and experience, you would expect them to be able to churn out a semi decent browser. I ran it for like 5 minutes last night and realised that it is ultra crap.

Opera for life!
 
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Grouter said:
... but I find he's biased in favour of MS products.
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So bias is evidence of not being fair or open? Why does this principle then not apply mutatis mutandis to you, who are biased the other way?
I think you confuse bias and prejudice, two very different things.
 
Arthur said:
So bias is evidence of not being fair or open? Why does this principle then not apply mutatis mutandis to you, who are biased the other way?
I think you confuse bias and prejudice, two very different things.
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Perhaps it does apply to me.

The essence of what I'm trying to say is simply that, for me, Firefox is preferable over Internet Explorer. We all have our likes and dislikes. Yes, I'm biased towards firefox as a browser, because I like it. I prefer Vista over xp or ubuntu, and windows live mail over outlook, outlook express or thunderbird. I'm just giving an opinion, as we all are here.
 
HBee said:
Grouter, you are a ignoramus.
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Thanks for the trolling comment, I'll write that one on the idiot card I hang from the front of my hat so I don't forget it.
HBee said:
It is quite obvious that you have not used IE8.
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Well, actually I have. The final release, along with RC1 and the betas.
HBee said:
Stop trying so hard to convince everyone that you are the uber surfer and knowit all of the interweb. Your lack of knowledge on IE8 is showing quite clearly. Stick to FF and forums meant for it.
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Will do from now on. Thank you for the advice. Nice to know where I stand. Any other advice? Maybe you could use the PM feature. Or maybe not, as perhaps other forumites could benefit (as I have) from your insight and knowledge. Now you make sure you have a nice day, friend.
 
so has anybody actually managed to download this yet? it won't download for me... not in any browser... just sits there.
 
Yeah, I downloaded this morning and installed on 6 workstations. Very fast download and hassle-free install.

I have run into one issue: my IP cam runs an ActiveX script to display video in the browser clients. After installing IE8 the webcam plug-in throws up a DEP halt. I quickly defined IE as a DEP exception, but the problem still remains. Next step is to add the IP cam app as an exception but I haven't tried that yet.

Apart from this issue, IE8 runs great. Feels slightly faster the IE7.
 
HBee said:
Grouter, you are a ignoramus. It is quite obvious that you have not used IE8. Stop trying so hard to convince everyone that you are the uber surfer and knowit all of the interweb. Your lack of knowledge on IE8 is showing quite clearly. Stick to FF and forums meant for it.
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No, he's not. :-)

And neither are others:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10201008-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad

IE8 RC1 was shown in benchmarks (lost the link) to be slower than IE7 which itself was the slowest in comparison to Opera, Chrome; Safari and Firefox. (I doubt that much has changed in the final release version.)

It may be "secure" now (in the same way that Vista is "secure"), because people aren't using it much, but the more people use it, the more viruses and exploits will be written for it. This is what history and experience teach us.
 
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HBee said:
Grouter, you are a ignoramus. It is quite obvious that you have not used IE8. Stop trying so hard to convince everyone that you are the uber surfer and knowit all of the interweb. Your lack of knowledge on IE8 is showing quite clearly. Stick to FF and forums meant for it.
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apogeeza said:
No, he's not. :-)

And neither are others:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10201008-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad
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Thank goodness - I was getting tired of looking at "Grouter, you are an ignoramus" on the idiot card dangling from the front of my hat. Now I've scratched that, there's just "don't forget wife's b'day" left. :)
 
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