IE8's final step

Kalvaer said:
Is intergration not one of the big things that the new Ubunto is trying to do?
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The difference between Ubuntu/insert your fave distro here/etc and Windows is that IE is tied into the operating system, you cannot remove it without breaking something in the process. And there is always something which will be dependant upon the presence of IE.

With Ubuntu/etc you can use whichever web browser you want to without it breaking anything.

Plus, the way IE is integrated into Windows makes it a prime target for infestation.
 
I read though in another topic today here that with Ubuntu they are now trying to integrate web browsing into applications and so on? Thats what I meant about what is different to what MS has already done then?
 
Kalvaer said:
I read though in another topic today here that with Ubuntu they are now trying to integrate web browsing into applications and so on? Thats what I meant about what is different to what MS has already done then?
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Post the linky please?
 
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/6677.html

Another of the features that uses can expect from Jaunty is what Ubuntu founder, Mark Shuttleworth, calls "weblications". Which is a horrid way of saying that the Ubuntu developers are working on integrating desktop applications with the Web. At this point it is not entirely clear how this will be done but likely scenarios are integrating desktop applications with web-based storage or resources.
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Kalvaer said:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/6677.html
Another of the features that uses can expect from Jaunty is what Ubuntu founder, Mark Shuttleworth, calls "weblications". Which is a horrid way of saying that the Ubuntu developers are working on integrating desktop applications with the Web. At this point it is not entirely clear how this will be done but likely scenarios are integrating desktop applications with web-based storage or resources.
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Think of the widgets stuff in Vista.

More likely it is to be able to access Google (and other) services without having to open a web browser. If the user also have a choice on what web browser engine to use (firefox, konqueror etc) then this will be a huge leap forward. We will have to wait and see what Ubuntu does.

The difference between this and Microsoft is that Microsoft tend to organize their applications around Microsoft services - if you don't use M$ apps, you won't be able to use anything else - and this locks competitors out, leads to bloated and buggy applications, and vendor lock-in.

M$ also had a chance with Java - and tried to sabotage it.

For everything that's on the market (Flash player etc) M$ have their own, proprietary versions.

I'd rather stick with software which gives me a chance of freedom, and not having to be locked in to a certain monopolistic vendor.

Now if only we can get rid of Telkom...
 
sunsoffun said:
but mac have change their hardware, making it possible for the end user to install windows or linux on it.... so that should open the debut again!
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that my point, I hate MS or not hate..just strongly distain from using it as it treats me like a retard and doesn't empower me or trust me with its kernel..but thats just my point of view..I'm also a terminal junkie but thats besides the point..point being that people will expect an OS with a web browser of sorts so dont take it away completely (us IT guys have enough aplications at work already to install on new computers, we dont need more). And I bluntly just dont think the EU has the right to tell MS what they can and can't ship with their OS...people like you said have a choice, and if they buy virus and security vulnerable microsoft tough, that was their choice browser included. The EU is trying to hard to play tough and throw around their weight in my opinion
 
The_Librarian said:
Think of the widgets stuff in Vista.

More likely it is to be able to access Google (and other) services without having to open a web browser. If the user also have a choice on what web browser engine to use (firefox, konqueror etc) then this will be a huge leap forward. We will have to wait and see what Ubuntu does.

The difference between this and Microsoft is that Microsoft tend to organize their applications around Microsoft services - if you don't use M$ apps, you won't be able to use anything else - and this locks competitors out, leads to bloated and buggy applications, and vendor lock-in.

M$ also had a chance with Java - and tried to sabotage it.

For everything that's on the market (Flash player etc) M$ have their own, proprietary versions.

I'd rather stick with software which gives me a chance of freedom, and not having to be locked in to a certain monopolistic vendor.

Now if only we can get rid of Telkom...
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true about the java.

But what about OpenOffice etc. They don't "lock" it out, if you want to use their products, you can make it easier by using their software IMHO. Look at Visual Soursafe... there is alot of alternatives.

It's not like flash is blocked in IE. And yes MS has their own properiety stuff, but again, its also open source (look at .net framework in Mondo, which is open source .net)

They have come a long way MS, and it's wrong for EU panzies to focus on only MS.
 
TelkomUseless said:
true about the java.

But what about OpenOffice etc. They don't "lock" it out, if you want to use their products, you can make it easier by using their software IMHO. Look at Visual Soursafe... there is alot of alternatives.

It's not like flash is blocked in IE. And yes MS has their own properiety stuff, but again, its also open source (look at .net framework in Mondo, which is open source .net)

They have come a long way MS, and it's wrong for EU panzies to focus on only MS.
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Open Office and its standards which by the way are official ISO standards are yet to be fully supported by MS Office
 
<moLe> said:
Open Office and its standards which by the way are official ISO standards are yet to be fully supported by MS Office
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My company builds equipment that is ISO spec'ed. Yet if I sell in australia, I have to rebuild to meet their standards. Also please note that Sydney and Perth, both have different standards.

Just sold a R3 million unit to Canada.. full ISO rating, They are sending it back for us to modify for Canadian specs.

My point.. ISO isn't as international as they would have us believe. Its great in theory and wish it would work as it would make things much easier, but software companies like MS are not the only ones who are not complying.

Touch wood as well. But I have not had a virus on my PC in 6 years, You open dodgy sites or funny emails.. you deserve what you get.
 
Just downloaded IE8 RC1.....and it's really nice!! Superfast and toolbars much better.

Me likes!! :)
 
<moLe> said:
Open Office and its standards which by the way are official ISO standards are yet to be fully supported by MS Office
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I'm pro MS :D.

But do admit, they made some weird/bad/etc decisions in the past. But what peeves me off is how MS gets nailed, but the other companies get away with it (like apple , oil companies).

But I presume the highflyers get lots of attension
 
TelkomUseless said:
I'm pro MS :D.

But do admit, they made some weird/bad/etc decisions in the past. But what peeves me off is how MS gets nailed, but the other companies get away with it (like apple , oil companies).

But I presume the highflyers get lots of attension
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agreed..the EU is just flexing its faggety muscles
 
Dont know what they did to RC1, but it is wickedly fast. A page that rendered a few hundred treenodes in javascript usualy took about 5-6 seconds. It is now down to 2.
 
HBee, I also saw the speed increase!!! I use Photobucket a lot and Google Chrome was insanely slow on it (using shaped ADSL). Using the same ADSL connection with IE8 - and it's fast!!

Love the new toolbar, love the layout - I'm sold. First time in two years that I'm using Internet Explorer again. :)

*I'm running IE 8 RC1 on Vista Business.
 
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