IE9

[Netguy]

IE9 does not run on XP ...
Seems like another good reason to stick with Firefox, it does not mind XP, nor Linux, nor ...
So if you haven't got Firefox yet, get it now. It will be one less thing to get used to when dumping Windows.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

another braindead zombie iteration :wtf:

m$ loves to "adapt" standards to their "standards"... so that developers have to code a lot of branches to cater for multiple braindead zombies and one firefox...

 

[Creag]

Yawn... Firefox is all I need thanks.

What he said and until something comes along that can make me strong black coffee and fetch the newspaper, Fox is still fine for me!

 

[alloytoo]

Is there a point to IE9?

 

[Creag]

One thing that is known is that Internet Explorer 9 won't work on Windows XP. Users will have to have Windows Vista or Windows 7, with Vista fully updated to the most recent version to be able to run IE9.

Another good reason why I won't be testing or running IE on my PC; I am still happily running XP SP3 on my machine

 

[midrange]

Our XHTML guys have decided to drop IE6 along with the rest of the developed world.

I am trying my damndest to convince the design company I do dev work for to drop IE6 support.

 

[Grim147]

Is there a point to IE9?

Microsoft like the world to know they actually doing something, even if that something is a minor update or annoying web developers

 

[JoSorc]

There's no Back button,

Excellent and don't put the piece of crap in either. Modern web AJAX applications have no need for this prehistoric piece of crap. At the very least give us control over it.

IE9 compiles JavaScript in the background on a separate core of the CPU. This gives it a significant speed boost.

Good stuff. The worlds most widely spread language is getting serious attention these days. Javascript FTW.

 

[midrange]

There's no Back button,

Excellent and don't put the piece of crap in either.

:erm:

 

[acidb]

Is there a point to IE9?

One never can really tell nowadays, they're certainly redeemed themselves after the Vista debacle so this might strengthen that for a lot of people...I personally am happy with Opera's latest browser.

 

[apogeeza]

I saw a video of an on-stage preview/demo by MS of the new IE9 capabilities (lost the link though: techmeme on twitter has thousands of updates... it's in one of them.)
So there were the two MS guys showing off how IE9 does high-def Blue-Ray video and the crowd goes wild.

Bull. How easy it is to fool an idiot, and judging the crowd, there were thousands.

IE does not do the video rendering - it will fob such heavy labour off to the OS for external handling by Direct X and GPU's and other means undocumented. [ MS are currently defending anti-competitive cases where they have not revealed performance capabilities of the OS to competitor products of MS software apps then claim their apps are better. No, they're not - they are merely being unfairly advantaged. ] I have no doubt the same is happening here.

On the plus front: They have built in a lot of support for HTML5 and CSS3, and in some cases it's better than the FLOSS browsers - but they are playing catch-up, and there is still a lot of ground to be covered. Applause to MS for taking such far-reaching steps to play in the standards arena and to be more interoperable (both of which have been their biggest stumbling blocks ... until now. So the various multi-billion fines have had SOME impact to the MS mindset, and that's good for us.)

 

[apogeeza]

Google recently bought a company that has some tech that does high-def video compression with bling and bells, which makes this so interesting:
http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/introducing-angle-project.html

We're happy to announce a new open source project called Almost Native Graphics Layer Engine, or ANGLE for short. The goal of ANGLE is to layer WebGL's subset of the OpenGL ES 2.0 API over DirectX 9.0c API calls. We're open-sourcing ANGLE under the BSD license as an early work-in-progress, but when complete, it will enable browsers like Google Chrome to run WebGL content on Windows computers without having to rely on OpenGL drivers.

Google are preparing to take the video rendering fight to MS.

 

[apogeeza]

The note on MS interoperability:
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/W3C-to-Microsoft-follow-the-process-957979.html

A few days ago Microsoft announced the OData protocol, an open data framework to enable interoperability in public or commercial data.

W3C says "That's great that it's "open" with "interoperable" in mind,... now make it royalty free too.

Jacobs says that "Incubator Groups can smooth the transition from 'good idea' to 'widely deployed standard available Royalty-Free'". He also pointed out that the invitation was "not just for Microsoft" and that the W3C is interested in data access APIs adding "If you're working on an API and it has 'data' in the name, I encourage you to build community support in a W3C Incubator Group."

 

[Kloofvreter]

FAIL. This makes it the most expensive internet browser on the market. Why MUST people upgrade their OS to use IE9? With most users on Windows XP, its not a compelling enough reason to fork out cash for a new browser.

I for one already have Windows 7. I'll be sticking to FF.

XP users can still use 7 or 8. So I don't see the problem. And I'm pretty sure you can use IE9 on Win7

 

[Chunkyfeather]

YESSSS iE9 woohoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, thats microsoft......pass.

 

[The_Assimilator]

MS are currently defending anti-competitive cases where they have not revealed performance capabilities of the OS to competitor products of MS software apps then claim their apps are better. No, they're not - they are merely being unfairly advantaged.

Please explain to me how it's an unfair advantage when it's Microsoft's applications running on Microsoft's OS. Oh, and that the DirectX API is freely available and documented so that anyone can utilise hardware acceleration in their Windows app.
Also, if you could give me a good reason as to why should Microsoft have to reveal information that will help their competitors, I'd be much obliged. Protecting your own interests isn't beign anti-competitive.
Thirdly, users don't care how an app manages to be better. If it's better, it's better, full stop - the why and how are irrelevant.

It seems that every company that can't release a decent product is now claiming that their products suck because Big Bad Microsoft is pulling dirty tricks. How about said companies try releasing their own operating system, then they can do whatever they want with it.

 

[FHTheron]

For your average web project, you need to support IE since it is too much to ask that clients/users install firefox. Right, now you need to tell them to upgrade all their perfectly functional WinXP machines to Windows 7 just for IE9...or just download and install firefox for free. I can see where this should be going, let us sincerely hope it does. With the recent European regulations, you have it even easier. Just tell people to not choose IE when microsoft gives them the choice of browser. At the very least, fiiinally, supposed SVG support. Use of SVG could have saved so much and improved so much in the past, but then you need to, once again, inconvenience the user by requiring a plugin installation.

 

[ponder]

Chrome/Chromium is my precious....

 

[apogeeza]

Please explain to me how it's an unfair advantage when it's Microsoft's applications running on Microsoft's OS.

It's called Law. I don't expect you to understand it, and it is implemented differently from country to country.

Nutshell: You not allwed to use your monopoly in OS market to deliberatly harm your competitors in the application stack.

Oh, and that the DirectX API is freely available and documented so that anyone can utilise hardware acceleration in their Windows app.

The existing court cases are in the process of proving that there are undocumented methods that MS are not disclosing to the market. (This is not a Direct X issue, it is an OS issue ...)

Also, if you could give me a good reason as to why should Microsoft have to reveal information that will help their competitors, I'd be much obliged.

Law.

Is that good enough?

Try researching why anti-competitive behaviour by monopolies are specifically legislated against.

Protecting your own interests isn't beign anti-competitive.

The EU and the 860-million euro fine says otherwise. (not to mention the USA vs MS, and Mexico vs MS, and Korea vs MS and ... and ... and - if memory serves.)

Thirdly, users don't care how an app manages to be better. If it's better, it's better, full stop - the why and how are irrelevant.

Just because you say it's so, is not going to make it such.

It seems that every company that can't release a decent product is now claiming that their products suck because Big Bad Microsoft is pulling dirty tricks. How about said companies try releasing their own operating system, then they can do whatever they want with it.

If you are so inexperienced as to reduce the argument to this ("they're incompetent therefore MS is Bad") - you are pathetic.

Try using products other than MS, get a couple of years experience, educate yourself as to what's actually out there ... then, when you have something valid and intelligent to say, come back and find yourself on the same side of the line as myself.

 

[FHTheron]

Sidetrack: Try going to http://www.easypay.co.za using IE6...
Fine, IE6 is really old and "nobody is using it anymore", but at least someone has decided to just not support it anymore. (This is probably due to the many CSS and javascript shortcomings of IE6).