'If Luke plays we're out'

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If Luke plays we're out'
2008-10-19 18:22

Cape Town - Up to half of the current Springbok squad are ready to withdraw from the end of year tour to England, Wales and Scotland should controversial flanker Luke Watson be chosen, a report has claimed.

Afrikaans newspaper Sondag said that this message had been conveyed to SA Rugby and Springbok coach Peter de Villiers this past week after Watson had again been in the limelight for controversial comments about the Springbok jersey and Afrikaans-speaking people.

The newspaper claimed that players in Durban, Gauteng and Cape Town had confirmed that they were ready to withdraw if Watson was picked.

Senior players were so upset by the comments, and Watson's influence on the team, that they had asked captain John Smit to deliver the message to Springbok coach Peter de Villiers in their meeting on Friday.

'Back to politicians'

A separate meeting, between the South African Rugby Players Association's Piet Heymans and acting SA Rugby managing director Andy Marinos was also said to contain a similar message on Watson.

The report quotes a senior Springbok who says Watson "does not belong in the side".

The Springbok was alleged to have said: “The other players don't want to play with him. They feel they can't be open in a team environment with each other and are worried that what they say may get back to the politicians."

Watson may not be chosen in any event, the newspaper added, as his form was not up to standard.

The newspaper also reported that coach De Villiers told a breakfast meeting in Pretoria on Thursday that Watson had broken the Springbok code of conduct.

"You don't allow the actions of an individual to influence an entire team," De Villiers was reported to have said.
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Well done boys :)
 
Only half? Are the other half still trying to finish reading the original article...?
 
Yay!!! Good one boys.... hopefully the rest of the team will follow suit and add their names to the list. I hope the guy is kicked out of National and international rugby.
 
Unfortunately, speaking your mind seems to be not seen as a right either.

Load of crap! He was not given a fair crack (Watson) by Jake White now this ... probably why I don't give a *bleep* about the Boks.

They (Boks) fell over without so much as a fight in the Cry-Nations this year. World champs my back-side!
 
maestro_za said:
Unfortunately, speaking your mind seems to be not seen as a right either.
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Of course it is a right and he used it. He had a right to speak his mind, which on this occasion was blatantly stupid and racist. He made the choice to speak his mind, now he must suffer the consequences of his actions.

He has every right to be a racist. However he doesn't have a right to kill because he is a racist, just as an example. He would suffer the consequences of those actions. Much the same as he is suffering the consequences of opening his trap and spewing filth around.
 
maestro_za said:
Unfortunately, speaking your mind seems to be not seen as a right either.

Load of crap! He was not given a fair crack (Watson) by Jake White now this ... probably why I don't give a *bleep* about the Boks.

They (Boks) fell over without so much as a fight in the Cry-Nations this year. World champs my back-side!
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Hey look, I can post a reply without insulting the less intelligent poster...bwana will be so proud. :D
 
maestro_za said:
Load of crap! He was not given a fair crack (Watson) by Jake White now this
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Because we had and still have much better loose forwards than him. And BTW, we won the RWC with Jake's team - you probably didn't notice because you don't give a *bleep* about the Boks.

Would you want to work together with someone in a teamwork environment, who had been publicly racist against you? I think not. To defend his potty mouth is ludicrous...:rolleyes:
 
What ever the reasons, what did Luke Puke expect from all this? He must have been an idiot for thinking that it would not come out.

Even if he felt that way, you don't tell people you wanted to throw up on your teams jersey. Fool!
 
I agree, he never wanted to be a bok, so way did he? I don't want to live in Australia, but I'm not going to shag a sheep to prove that point?
 
DDV TECH said:
I agree, he never wanted to be a bok, so way did he? I don't want to live in Australia, but I'm not going to shag a sheep to prove that point?
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I dunno and his fathy Cheeky Watson supporting the Springbok emblem to be removed. What a f#ecked up family
 
DJK said:
Because we had and still have much better loose forwards than him. And BTW, we won the RWC with Jake's team - you probably didn't notice because you don't give a *bleep* about the Boks.

Would you want to work together with someone in a teamwork environment, who had been publicly racist against you? I think not. To defend his potty mouth is ludicrous...:rolleyes:
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I detested Jack White's regime. It was every bit as racist as Watson's comments.

He picked token players of colour such as Ashwin Willemse. I hate selections like that. I don't rate Pietersen either, but he was in that RWC squad as well.

Watson has a point in that rugby in this country is factioned, as much as you want to glaze over it. Be it on racial lines or North vs South.

I remember the doomsayers when Pieter De Villiers was appointed. What does he know about rugby? Surely someone of experience should have been appointed? Looks to me like he has as much experience as Jake White had in terms of U21 credentials and so forth.

So yes, I don't give a *bleep* about the Springboks until I see a concerted effort at real change. "Unity" was for the benefit of bringing international rugby back to our borders ... but real unity in our upper structures is sadly lacking.

I was a decent rugby player at school boy level. Guess what, selectors don't come to the "smaller, non-traditional" high schools. Way too many decent players fall through the cracks, not only in rugby, but in other sporting codes as well.

It's a sad state of affairs :rolleyes:
 
maestro_za said:
I detested Jack White's regime. It was every bit as racist as Watson's comments.

He picked token players of colour such as Ashwin Willemse. I hate selections like that. I don't rate Pietersen either, but he was in that RWC squad as well.

Watson has a point in that rugby in this country is factioned, as much as you want to glaze over it. Be it on racial lines or North vs South.

I remember the doomsayers when Pieter De Villiers was appointed. What does he know about rugby? Surely someone of experience should have been appointed? Looks to me like he has as much experience as Jake White had in terms of U21 credentials and so forth.

So yes, I don't give a *bleep* about the Springboks until I see a concerted effort at real change. "Unity" was for the benefit of bring international rugby back to our borders ... but real unity in our upper structures is sadly lacking.

I was a decent rugby player at school boy level. Guess what, selectors don't come to the "smaller, non-traditional" high schools. Way too many decent players fall through the cracks, not only in rugby, but in other sporting codes as well.

It's a sad state of affairs :rolleyes:
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This in no way even remotely begins to touch on Twatson's comments. And your argument is flawed because you spend 90% of it defending your reasoning for not supporting SA rugby, not defending your position on Potty-mouth Twatson.

Jake had no choice but to pick certain players based on race. You might as well state that you have no interest in South Africa because of affirmative action as a whole.

Sorry to hear you had a rough time with selections or lack thereof at high school. But that has forkall to do with Twatson opening his trap and being blatantly racist. To defend Twatson and state that action against him is a load of crap is absurd. And for you to argue this point based on the fact that you didn't like Jake White is even more absurd. There is no defence for him, you are just venting here. If you have a valid point as to why Twatson should be held on a pedestal for being openly racist, then I for one would love to hear it.

You state:

Watson has a point in that rugby in this country is factioned, as much as you want to glaze over it. Be it on racial lines or North vs South.
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Well nobody denied that, but to defend his racist points of view because he made on single valid point is stupid. Hitler also made one or two good points in some of his speeches - maybe we should be defending his honour because of it...:rolleyes: Doesn't make sense when you actually think about it - try it before your next post and see how it works...
 
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How many of the top positions in SA rugby are filled by what he called "Dutchman"? How many of the decision makers in Sa rugby are so called "Dutchman", how come if something gets mismanaged its always the previous "Dutchmen" that gets blamed, when are the current decision makers and complainers going to start taking responsibility for their own actions?
 
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