Il-76s for the SAAF?

The Russions and Chinese bribes more easily than the Americans or Europeans, they do not have any SOA controls or Bussiness conduct codes to adhere to!
 
These things are pretty rugged and probably more suited to african condition, ie it's happy on unpaved runways.
Most incidents surrounding these aircraft seem to be pilot & combat related (shot down), system failure looks to be a small part.

Banning was for noise pollution and dodge operators, change of engines got round the noise pollution issue.

Russia has an order for 39 new planes delivery starting next year, china 12 so it seems the new factory is there. I doubt we will be getting new ones though.

China has the new Xian Y-20 but that probably costs a lot more.
 
Compton_effect said:
Does that mean they are cheaper?
If so - win/win for everyone! :whistle:
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Even if they are cheaper, it only means there is more "margin" when they sell them to SAAF at a higher price but still below the Europen and USa made units. Therefore they can afford higher bribes to CANCER, which they will recover in the price which the RSA taxpayer pays for these units.
 
gdiza said:
I honestly think we should be spending money on better things... honestly.
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We do need some form of strategic transport.. Well its a better investment than 20 mothballed Gripen, for example.
 
gdiza said:
I honestly think we should be spending money on better things... honestly.
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If we're going to put our people into dangerous situations far away from home then we need to be able to support them properly.

If the SAAF had just 3 or 4 Il-76s(or some other large transport aircraft) immediately available when the battle in Bangui took place it's highly likely that Seleka wouldn't be in charge today.
As things stand right now we have no means of rapidly extracting or reinforcing troops stationed in the DRC or Sudan, if the proverbial hits the fan they're going to be on their own for way longer than they should.

As a short term measure this might not be a bad idea, but over 30+ years it will most likely be cheaper to buy the A400M.
 
I think the Il-76 is a perfect aircraft for this role. There is generally nothing wrong with Russian designs, but their maintenance departments on the other hand... since SA won't be getting new planes, I would be very concerned about the possibility of metal fatigue with old airframes.

With that said, the SANDF's C-130s are even older, and they seem to be doing alright - but that is probably because Hercules replacement parts are plentiful (and I'm sure there are some local companies that have the tools to produce them here). Would hate to have SA buy a bunch of Il-76s and see them sitting grounded due to lack of spares.

eg2505 said:
I know the AN 225 is flying around Europe these days, or is it because its the only one of its kind? with its unique capability's
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It's the only aircraft that can move super-large and super-heavy cargoes, and it's in high demand. Although there are two An-225s, one is incomplete, so it currently is effectively a one-of-a-kind aircraft.

Ol' Mean Bastid said:
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Nothing you posted refutes Compton_effect's statement of fact that there is currently no production line for the Il-76.
 
We really need this type of airlift capacity. Just can’t see it replacing the C-130, they are in two totally different classes of aircraft with different roles.

There is a lot of negativity about Russian junk. I have visited a few of the factories where the aircraft are made and flown in a number of different types. The negative perception is down to a hang-over of cold war propaganda, there is nothing worse about these aircraft than their Western counterparts. Most of the problems have come from inadequate maintenance and operations.

If we do get these hopefully they will have the modern engines or else we will definitely not be able to afford the fuel.
 
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