I'm going to quit doing an MSc

Garson007

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Hey guys,

I've been contemplating this for some time and truly I am now at the point where the anxiety and avoidant behavior isn't doing me any good. Not to mention it keeps on making my CV look worse and worse the longer I drag it out.

I should have quit in the first year when I wanted to. I'm now three and a half years later.

Is this going to ruin career prospects? Will I be able to get back into a graduate programme down the line if I found a proposal I really want to pursue? Will employers all think I'm uselessly lazy?

Edit: I am currently employed, so there is no risk there - but I'm getting paid peanuts.
 
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Taranis

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Part time MSc, no time to complete? Nah, don't worry about it. It's nice to have and would set you apart but don't sweat it!
 

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How far are you from completing it? Do you have another degree?
 

Brawler

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Do what you need to do man.

Obviously part time study does add more stress and anxiety to us all but millions of people do it just fine. That said, if it is really affecting your health and you are on pills etcetera and still can't cope then quitting is understandable. Listen to your body.
 

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I'm guessing this is part, so three years in is not so bad. A Full time MSc is usually 2 years (but it can pushed to 3). So part time is usually double that. Have you considered academia, ask if they are any positions available at your school. Its easier to juggle lecturing and doing a thesis given that your work and your studies will go in parallel.
 

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How far are you from completing it? Do you have another degree?
He must have because it is not possible to register for MSc without an undergrad degree

I'm guessing this is part, so three years in is not so bad. A Full time MSc is usually 2 years (but it can pushed to 3). So part time is usually double that. Have you considered academia, ask if they are any positions available at your school. Its easier to juggle lecturing and doing a thesis given that your work and your studies will go in parallel.
Part-time MSc should take you about two years. Full time it's a year to 18 months. But what the OP is doing must be by research only where they more or less let you set your pace as long as it's reasonable, but >3 years is pushing it a bit.
 

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Do you have any results to write up? Is this course work or thesis work? What does your supervisor say?
 

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Do you have any results to write up? Is this course work or thesis work? What does your supervisor say?

The fact that he's over 3 years in means it's dissertation only. And the naming for the major universities is MSc = research only and M = course + small dissertation.
 

Garson007

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Thesis only, indeed. I would have loved to lecture and ****, but the field I'm in is overstocked on postdocs so it isn't realistic. Theoretical physics, for those who might care.

I've done a lot of work, but my heart and head was never in it. I only started because it was natural progression and time constraints during honours year was such that you can't really work up much of a proposal for yourself - so you go with whatever the supervisor thinks you should be doing.

There has been some stumbling blocks, but ultimately it's mostly the psychological toll up to this point that's been eating at me. A psychological toll I'd prefer not to further prolong. I've never taken emotional pills and I haven't been to a therapist since I was like 8.

It's a monkey I just need to get rid of, and at this stage of my life and the progress of the thesis I think it's best for me to end it. The anxiety, avoidance and guilt cycle is just not something I should continue to advance, when it's coming from almost day one.
 
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Hey guys,

I've been contemplating this for some time and truly I am now at the point where the anxiety and avoidant behavior isn't doing me any good. Not to mention it keeps on making my CV look worse and worse the longer I drag it out.

I should have quit in the first year when I wanted to. I'm now three and a half years later.

Is this going to ruin career prospects? Will I be able to get back into a graduate programme down the line if I found a proposal I really want to pursue? Will employers all think I'm uselessly lazy?

Edit: I am currently employed, so there is no risk there - but I'm getting paid peanuts.

From a professional perspective, 3-4 years for an MSc is actually fairly typical - usually it just means that the student wasn't quite ready to tackle the chosen topic (possibly not strong enough in undergrad, but also possibly the topic was too ambitious - partially a failure of supervision). In the US, the first real research degree is usually a PhD, and this usually follows after 5-6 years of coursework. If it drags on to 4-5+ years, it really looks bad - usually it implies that the student is sufficiently far removed from reality that they don't know when to call it quits. If a student finishes after 4-5 years, the worst possible thing to do is enroll in a PhD program - this is usually the origin of the 5-7+ year PhD. :), which looks horrible on a CV - at work we just skip past those.

I'm not sure what your field is (my guess would by chemistry, biology or physics (the "paid peanuts" bit)), but the thing to be careful with there, is that working in some of these fields really requires post-grad degrees for any type of career advancement. If you work in IT, or have developed "IT skills" on the side (common among non-comsci post-grads), you're probably fine since a lot of the work in the IT industry won't require a post-graduate degree anyway.

Getting back into academia at a later point, really depends almost entirely on your personal interaction with your potential future supervisor. You will have to have to come across as driven and have a good story about why you left your previous degree (over ambitious topic, had to work part/full-time, that distracted you but aren't applicable now, personal issues that are now resolved, self-maturation. etc.) - it will really be this that determines if you get in again.

If you do manage to get back into academia, from a professional perspective, there will always be questions (reliability, does this person know what they want to do, maturity, competency, etc.), however, from an academic perspective, if you do a strong and fast MSc (do it in <= 2 years), and do it well, so that you can follow up with a strong PhD with good publications - this will be all that will ever matter from an academic perspective.

In terms of your thesis: is it really far off from completion or are you holding onto it because you are a perfectionist, or perhaps you are someone that can't recognize when they have made a contribution? I've seen a lot of MSc and PhD students get caught up in a cycle of "I now fully understand this - so it's easy". Understanding does not imply easy - not everyone has been poring over the same set of 50 papers for 3 years to gain your understanding - even an incremental change/observation that requires the kind of background that is now unique to you and a handful of others may be significant - get the opinion of your supervisor as to whether or not it is ready to be submitted, or if it's ok to stop research and just finish up the write-up - take this very seriously, since your personal take is almost certainly skewed by your years of immersion. Also note that you don't have to do your master piece now - you have the rest of your career for this.
 

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I'm employed in IT as a data analyst for a business intelligence division (working with SQL Server mostly). The career trajectory, if kept, is pretty good. It's not what I would get as a quantitative analyst, but I'm pretty sure I won't have financial problems twenty years down the line (especially given that I won't have kids).

I'm also thinking of going into management consulting in the future, for which an MBA (and my current job) will mean a lot more than an MSc. However, when it comes to that I still have a lot of time.
 
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Id honestly try and finish it. Take a months break or so and then start again. You just sound warned out. I always thought that a pure research masters is very risky, because you can get screwed over by a bad supervisor (they are overseas or too busy to see you, or simply don't care).
 
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It's a monkey I just need to get rid of, and at this stage of my life and the progress of the thesis I think it's best for me to end it.

Monkeys ...!!

I know them ... even though I can't do anything about them.

EDIT: Most people on this forum could perform amazingly well in advanced and post graduate degrees if they could be micro-managed to the point necessitated for an extended piece of writing.

Unfortunately the requirement for an advanced degree (at least a Master's ... maybe not a Doctor's) isn't intelligence but rather a good work ethic. With a doctor's degree you need both in exceedingly plentiful supply.
 
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I feel the same way, I failed a module last year, had to do it again this semester and now I'm left with only a few days left to hand in my thesis. (Honours).

I honestly feel like F### it all. But I am rather going to see how far I can get and do a late submission (in September).
 
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Monkeys ...!!

I know them ... even though I can't do anything about them.

EDIT: Most people on this forum could perform amazingly well in advanced and post graduate degrees if they could be micro-managed to the point necessitated for an extended piece of writing.

Unfortunately the requirement for an advanced degree (at least a Master's ... maybe not a Doctor's) isn't intelligence but rather a good work ethic. With a doctor's degree you need both in exceedingly plentiful supply.

I hate posting a good post at the end of a page.
 

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I'm employed in IT as a data analyst for a business intelligence division (working with SQL Server mostly). The career trajectory, if kept, is pretty good. It's not what I would get as a quantitative analyst, but I'm pretty sure I won't have financial problems twenty years down the line (especially given that I won't have kids).

I'm also thinking of going into management consulting in the future, for which an MBA (and my current job) will mean a lot more than an MSc. However, when it comes to that I still have a lot of time.
Try and work out why you want an MSc. Is it for the extra kudos, a career in academia or simply to set yourself apart? If it's for money then do an MBA. Just remember that IT and Bus Adm are almost completely removed from each other.

Most people don't use what they've researched or been taught when they get employed, but the fact that you (eventually) have an advanced degree is very highly regarded with blue chip companies and you may get picked for that reason.
 

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I found that people hardly use more than 10% of what they are taught at varsity, but it does give you a bit of an edge, even if it is just self-confidence.
 
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