Immigrating to the UK

For me, the only major issue was the NHS (coming from South Africa) when I lived there. Crap and slow if you have a minor ailment - but if you get hit by a bus - fantastic. FWIW, I had BUPA but still had to go via NHS first. Everything else there was spectacular (but you paid for it). Only thing that really got me down with the 'big brother / overbearing rules and penalties for minor / unintentional infringements .

We need more enforcement of rules in South Africa
 
Does anyone here have any experience with British citizenship by double descent? Alternatively, any recommendations for good advisors in this regard?

- My paternal grandmother was born in the UK (and all of her family before her)
- My paternal grandfather was born in SA but to UK parents. He served in the RAF.
- My father, an SA citizen, was born in Rhodesia
- I was born after 1949

It seems the requirements are to meet at least one of the following:
  1. You or your parents being born in a former British Territory (British Protectorates, British Protected States, Mandated Territories, Foreign Countries with ETJ or Post 1949 Colonies)
    1. does Rhodesia in the 1950s count for my parent?
  2. If your parent is classed as a British Citizen you may be eligible to apply for British Citizenship by descent.'
    1. My father has not (yet) applied for his citizenship but his sister, my aunt has.
  3. You have a parent or grandparent that is in the Crown Service (British Military, Overseas Civil Service, Colonial Service or Diplomatic Corp)
    1. My grandfather served in the RAF between 1943 and 1950.
  4. You have parents that are married before 1949 and your mother was a British subject
    1. NA
 
Does anyone here have any experience with British citizenship by double descent? Alternatively, any recommendations for good advisors in this regard?

- My paternal grandmother was born in the UK (and all of her family before her)
- My paternal grandfather was born in SA but to UK parents. He served in the RAF.
- My father, an SA citizen, was born in Rhodesia
- I was born after 1949

It seems the requirements are to meet at least one of the following:
  1. You or your parents being born in a former British Territory (British Protectorates, British Protected States, Mandated Territories, Foreign Countries with ETJ or Post 1949 Colonies)
    1. does Rhodesia in the 1950s count for my parent?
  2. If your parent is classed as a British Citizen you may be eligible to apply for British Citizenship by descent.'
    1. My father has not (yet) applied for his citizenship but his sister, my aunt has.
  3. You have a parent or grandparent that is in the Crown Service (British Military, Overseas Civil Service, Colonial Service or Diplomatic Corp)
    1. My grandfather served in the RAF between 1943 and 1950.
  4. You have parents that are married before 1949 and your mother was a British subject
    1. NA

Not sure on citizenship, but you could qualify for the ancestral visa which lets you work and stay in the UK for 5 years, of which then you start the journey to becoming a citizen.
 
For me, the only major issue was the NHS (coming from South Africa) when I lived there. Crap and slow if you have a minor ailment - but if you get hit by a bus - fantastic. FWIW, I had BUPA but still had to go via NHS first. Everything else there was spectacular (but you paid for it). Only thing that really got me down with the 'big brother / overbearing rules and penalties for minor / unintentional infringements .

We need more enforcement of rules in South Africa

To me, the UK runs pretty well, because things are enforced properly.

Go on a busy highway in the UK, and start undertaking cars - or - hogging the middle lane. Chances are that an undercover cop (or marked) will pull you over.

Do that ihere and no one will bat an eyelid - even though you not meant to undertake cars on the highway; cops even do it... no one cares - its SA and pretty lawless in general.

I'd rather have the UK style - yes, some of the laws are stupid and whatever, but at least most people follow them and things like driving to work everyday is 100x safer. (UK being one of the safest roads in Europe)
 
Not sure on citizenship, but you could qualify for the ancestral visa which lets you work and stay in the UK for 5 years, of which then you start the journey to becoming a citizen.
Thanks. Yes, my cousins have done that through this same path so I'm sure that I would also qualify. At the moment I'm not looking to leave SA in the short-to-medium, but I would like the second passport to solidify a back-up plan (and make travel somewhat easier) if needed.
 
Feels like you're a bit butthurt because I'm saying things aren't always greener. A lot of South Africans who move here get really upset when other South Africans have genuine criticisms of the place. Its like they have to continually justify to themselves how amazing and perfect the place is and how utterly rubbish SA is. If you're gonna emigrate, people need to be aware of things instead of wearing rose-tinted glasses just because they want to get out
Not at all. Going by your post, I dont think your criticism were actually issues, and I highlighted that.

Come complain about expensive property, crappy weather and traffic jams and Ill agree all the way.
 
Thanks. Yes, my cousins have done that through this same path so I'm sure that I would also qualify. At the moment I'm not looking to leave SA in the short-to-medium, but I would like the second passport to solidify a back-up plan (and make travel somewhat easier) if needed.
I'd be interested in what you find out. I have the whole Rhodesia route, but if there is quick citizenship from it, it'd be worth looking into.

the problem is the whole Rhodesia area is kinda a mess when it comes to the 1950s really.
 
I'd be interested in what you find out. I have the whole Rhodesia route, but if there is quick citizenship from it, it'd be worth looking into.

the problem is the whole Rhodesia area is kinda a mess when it comes to the 1950s really.

Been down that road already. Only thing that matters is where your parents were born, if they were British citizens at the time of your birth and would have had the ability to register your birth as British. Easiest route is an ancestry visa, which grants you ILR after 5 years, and citizenship a year after that (but you have to actually live in the UK for the majority of the time).
 
UK NHS = SA public health care (both free to citizens).
UK private health care = SA Medical aid

Form your above statement you almost make it sound like one is limited to the NHS in the UK? There are no restrictions to join a private medical aid.
Not strictly true. You cannot avoid the NHS. There's no such thing as a private A&E here, or private emergency services.

The ambulance queues and A&E wait times will hammer you one way or the other, and you will be triaged like anyone else.

We're all trapped in the same system when we have an emergency.

Also, while you can see a private GP, if you get a prescription through them you will pay full price for medication, which can be exorbitant, as opposed to the NHS subsidised £10~.

So, ultimately, you'll still have to deal with your NHS GP, who will sometimes refuse to prescribe what the private GP has.

Also, depending on your private cover, you may need to request a referral from your NHS GP to be able to see a private specialist.

South African private healthcare is substantially better-established and functions largely independently of the state healthcare, and, arguably, to a much higher standard.

Here, private healthcare complements the state healthcare. It doesn't function independently.

Many people here also make the assumption that the handful of private urgent treatment/care centres are equivalent to an A&E. They're not. They're also not open 24/7. They will see you for minor injuries or ailments, but you'll be told to go to A&E or have an ambulance called for actual emergencies.

It's a bit of a shitshow that makes you wonder if private healthcare is worth it, but if you have the choice of a private room with its own bathroom facility, and flawless 5-star care from the doctors and nurses (and pretty decent meals included); and the NHS? It's worth it.

Did the song and dance around two years ago. The NHS staff are often lovely, but they're overworked, the A&Es are generally horrific, and you are absolutely not their priority.

Of course, your experiences may differ depending on your location.

Also, your local GP practice can substantially vary in quality, too.

Had one years ago with the worst reception imaginable (good luck getting an appointment) who viewed his patients like slabs of meat. The bedside manner was of the "It's not my job to provide reassurance" persuasion for a cancer scare.

In contrast, our recent experiences have been great. Though my current GP doesn't seem to actually listen and will drag you through five million tests to conclude what you've already told him while ignoring the thing that actually concerns you.

They drive me nuts.
 
Not strictly true. You cannot avoid the NHS. There's no such thing as a private A&E here, or private emergency services.

The ambulance queues and A&E wait times will hammer you one way or the other, and you will be triaged like anyone else.

We're all trapped in the same system when we have an emergency.

Also, while you can see a private GP, if you get a prescription through them you will pay full price for medication, which can be exorbitant, as opposed to the NHS subsidised £10~.

So, ultimately, you'll still have to deal with your NHS GP, who will sometimes refuse to prescribe what the private GP has.

Also, depending on your private cover, you may need to request a referral from your NHS GP to be able to see a private specialist.

South African private healthcare is substantially better-established and functions largely independently of the state healthcare, and, arguably, to a much higher standard.

Here, private healthcare complements the state healthcare. It doesn't function independently.

Many people here also make the assumption that the handful of private urgent treatment/care centres are equivalent to an A&E. They're not. They're also not open 24/7. They will see you for minor injuries or ailments, but you'll be told to go to A&E or have an ambulance called for actual emergencies.

It's a bit of a shitshow that makes you wonder if private healthcare is worth it, but if you have the choice of a private room with its own bathroom facility, and flawless 5-star care from the doctors and nurses (and pretty decent meals included); and the NHS? It's worth it.

Did the song and dance around two years ago. The NHS staff are often lovely, but they're overworked, the A&Es are generally horrific, and you are absolutely not their priority.

Of course, your experiences may differ depending on your location.

Also, your local GP practice can substantially vary in quality, too.

Had one years ago with the worst reception imaginable (good luck getting an appointment) who viewed his patients like slabs of meat. The bedside manner was of the "It's not my job to provide reassurance" persuasion for a cancer scare.

In contrast, our recent experiences have been great. Though my current GP doesn't seem to actually listen and will drag you through five million tests to conclude what you've already told him while ignoring the thing that actually concerns you.

They drive me nuts.

100%. This has largely been my experience as well. Thanks for this post, I was too lazy to type up something similar :)
 
The NHS emergency service is fantastic. I’ve certainly gotten my money’s worth out of them over the last few years, and then some. If you have a serious issue, you go through the A&E triage very quickly - don’t worry, you’re not going to have to wait behind Terry who’s there with a hangover if your life is in danger. I used that as an example because it’s one of the reasons A&E waiting times are so high over the weekend: hangovers. No, not even kidding.

For first-class queue-skipping, if you really think this is the end, call 999 and get an ambulance out: you bypass the silly triage and busy waiting area and go straight into Majors. Yes, you’ll probably spend 6 hours there, too, but you’ll be well looked after with experts on hand if things start going south.

As Saffers we’re inclined to think of public hospitals like Joburg Gen: people in the waiting area with pangas still lodged in their heads, soiled beds, blood on the floors, incompetent staff. Not the case here: most are on par with some private hospitals in SA. No, you probably won’t get a private room with an en-suite. But, you’re also not paying for any of it, and the doctors are some of the best out there. Nursing staff are also amazing - and you can honestly tell they love what they do, even if they’re unappreciated and underpaid.

The major flaw with the NHS is everything outside of the A&E. It took about a dozen trips to the A&E (with a cardiac history) before a random GP was like “oh hang on, something’s not right here, I’m going to refer you to a cardiologist” - that was after my referral to the chest pain clinic was cancelled because they didn’t think it was necessary. Cardiologist sent me for sonar, etc, and referred me for an angiogram. I was meant to have it done 10 weeks later, but still hadn’t had it done 6 months after first seeing the cardiologist. Imagine his surprise when I saw him next to discuss the angiogram results - that I still hadn’t had done. He got on the phone while I was there, and I was booked in the following week. The angiogram found I had another significant blockage, and was referred for an angioplasty. Thankfully, only waited about 3 weeks before that was done.

There is (still) a massive backlog for specialist referrals after a certain thing that stopped the world turning for about 2 years - you may recall it. It absolutely hammered our amazing (FREE) NHS, and it’s still trying recover to this day. It absolutely needs a massive overhaul - there’s simply too much red tape from top to bottom. There’s also a ridiculous amount of waste: it costs the NHS hundreds of millions for prescriptions for things like aspirin and paracetamol which cost literally like 80p a box at a high street supermarket.
 
I wouldn't be so quick to call it free. About 14.5% of my earnings goes to the NHS, according to this table. It's definitely being paid for.
"free at the point of service"

You're also quoting nhs staff pension contributions there.

NHS comes out of NI.
 
I wouldn't be so quick to call it free. About 14.5% of my earnings goes to the NHS, according to this table. It's definitely being paid for.

Well, nothing is ever technically “free”. The difference is in the UK you at least have some sort of idea of what your tax and NI money is being spent on. Though, to be fair, as a South African, you probably already know that your tax money is going into someone’s back pocket.
 
Also, with all the comparisons between the NHS and private healthcare via medical aid in SA, isn't the NHI still on the horizon in SA?
 
Going through a variety of health issues and I'll just say I'd probably be dead in SA because no way in hell I would afford it all. Thankfully have a GP who is fantastic and every hopsital visit has been top of the line. My most recent nurse was also a saffer and she was over the moon when we spoke, lol.
 
"free at the point of service"

You're also quoting nhs staff pension contributions there.

NHS comes out of NI.
Ahah, fair enough. It did seem awfully high. In a previous life, I got an exact breakdown of my tax contributions and where it was going. I wonder what happened to that.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Taxes are taxes and it's just a fact of life, whether you like it or not, so I don't even consider it as income. Except when calculating benefits on schemes which allow me to pay using pre-tax money, like the cycle to work scheme.
 
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